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The Experimental Process of Creating Multispecies Ant Colonies

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#41 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted January 14 2021 - 11:37 AM

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Yeah please do, and post here. 

Just the thought of being dunked in undiluted vinegar for 20 seconds is a little freaky to me! I guess exoskeletons really come in handy in times like that.


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#42 Offline AleeGuy - Posted January 14 2021 - 1:00 PM

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Question about the vinegar. Are you using plain white vinegar? If so, is it diluted at all?

Or are you literally dunking queens in a full strength 5% acidity solution from the grocery store bin for up to 20 seconds?

Are they submerged fully?

In other words how is it done?

Diluted or non diluted works, I would dunk them for 10-20 seconds then handle them for a bit till they’re mostly dried off as well as using q-tips or cotton to dry them off. And i’ve only used white vinegar for this.

 

someone should make an instructional video (or i will 0:) actually i might do it today and record so

 

THIS PROCESS IS STILL EXTREMELY EXPERIMENTAL AND SHOULD NOT BE ATTEMPTED BY ANYBODY!

 

 

This should not be treated as a guide and rather as a journal exploring the beginning of our personal experimentation. 

 ðŸ‘€Let's say that's an experimental video :lol:



#43 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 14 2021 - 1:03 PM

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if i record it it can be used to show the process that we took to try and create multi-species colony ig, SO MY REASON imma do it now so


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#44 Offline AleeGuy - Posted January 14 2021 - 1:06 PM

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if i record it it can be used to show the process that we took to try and create multi-species colony ig, SO MY REASON imma do it now so

Ig yes, you just said instructional vid, lel

#45 Offline ArmansAnts - Posted January 14 2021 - 5:33 PM

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if i record it it can be used to show the process that we took to try and create multi-species colony ig, SO MY REASON imma do it now so

 

You have not taken part of this yet, and it is still very experimental. We have no idea what does and does not work for sure, so please do not make any conclusive video more than you just trying this yourself.


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#46 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 15 2021 - 4:59 AM

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oof (i already did and started editing) i guess i can just keep this in my ever-growing space of photos and videos in which none are saving anymore due to storage 


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#47 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted January 15 2021 - 5:15 AM

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Huh, interesting. The only time I've ever tried something like this was when I moved a colony of Aphaenogaster fulva and Strumigenys louisianae into the same nest, though I did find the colonies in the same nest in the wild. I eventually moved the Strumigenys into a separate formicarium so I could get a better view of them. Not really the most interesting thing, considering the colonies were nesting together originally, but it was still neat to see the Strumigenys seal themselves off in a dome of soil, occasionally coming out into the main nest to forage for springtails.


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#48 Offline Scherme - Posted January 15 2021 - 5:22 AM

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oof (i already did and started editing) i guess i can just keep this in my ever-growing space of photos and videos in which none are saving anymore due to storage 

I believe they just asked you not to label it as the "definitive way to create multispecies colonies".

I would still make the video, I am interesting in seeing it.

 

This is a cool experiment. That 7 species Camponotus video is nutso.


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#49 Offline M_Ants - Posted January 16 2021 - 10:49 AM

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I gave a major to my colony using after dipping it in some vinegar. Seems like they don't like it. Will it be bad for them to eat it with the vinegar?


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#50 Offline Spazmops - Posted January 16 2021 - 11:03 AM

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P. occidentalis have been found to have colonies of Monomorium minimum inside their nests, so if I find any M. minimum queens this year I might give that a shot. 


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#51 Offline AleeGuy - Posted January 16 2021 - 11:53 AM

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oof (i already did and started editing) i guess i can just keep this in my ever-growing space of photos and videos in which none are saving anymore due to storage

I believe they just asked you not to label it as the "definitive way to create multispecies colonies".
I would still make the video, I am interesting in seeing it.

This is a cool experiment. That 7 species Camponotus video is nutso.
No, it basically means that do not make it as a guide, he can still call it experimental to represent how it all happens, but not as a guide or instructional video to help others do that

Edited by AleeGuy, January 16 2021 - 12:14 PM.

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#52 Offline thap34nut - Posted January 17 2021 - 6:59 PM

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#53 Offline Spazmops - Posted January 17 2021 - 7:52 PM

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Huh, really? If that's true then that's a bit shady. 


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#54 Offline ArmansAnts - Posted January 17 2021 - 8:39 PM

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Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free
Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free

Doesn't mean anything for what we're doing, he doesn't even want to be involved with us.


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#55 Offline DIACAMMAWORLDCOOL - Posted January 17 2021 - 9:21 PM

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I tried it with a trap jaw queen and Camponotus irritian queen .They didn't show any sign of hostility towards each other although they did panic when they came in contact.



#56 Offline AleeGuy - Posted January 17 2021 - 10:12 PM

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Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free
Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free

Doesn't mean anything for what we're doing, he doesn't even want to be involved with us.
Yes, cheeto(and others who been participating in the experiment) didn't collaborated with him. The only thing they did, is they tried to ask R.F. Ojeda on how to make a multispecies colonies or at least tips for it. But not to somehow "scam", there is not even a profit to them from this experiment plus they don't recommend others to do it. The reason they made this topic is to make this thread to be the place where they can share their information, and as well, answer to the others questions.

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oof (i already did and started editing) i guess i can just keep this in my ever-growing space of photos and videos in which none are saving anymore due to storage

I believe they just asked you not to label it as the "definitive way to create multispecies colonies".
I would still make the video, I am interesting in seeing it.

This is a cool experiment. That 7 species Camponotus video is nutso.
No, it basically means that do not make it as a guide, he can still call it experimental to represent how it all happens, but not as a guide or instructional video to help others do that

 

edit: nvm. that is essentially what I meant. Perhaps I didn't make it clear. 


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#58 Offline AntsDakota - Posted January 18 2021 - 5:56 AM

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Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free
Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free

If this is the case then it is possible the photos were photoshopped. 


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Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free
Guys, i know cheeto isn't from chile, where robert fo lives, i do and he's a known scammer, sells mature colonies extracted from the wild and does create species that don't exist just so he sells ants more expensive, lets not forget the fact that in the chilean antkeeping community is bad seen selling ants beacuse hobbyists don't want to lucrate off selling queens and often offer them for free

If this is the case then it is possible the photos were photoshopped.
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#60 Offline Amatty76 - Posted January 18 2021 - 9:57 AM

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I tried it with a trap jaw queen and Camponotus irritian queen .They didn't show any sign of hostility towards each other although they did panic when they came in contact.

For it to work the queens need to interact with each other, I would recommend offering sugars to try to get both of them to drink right next to each other and touch antennae. And offering sugars increases the chance of trophallaxis.


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