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First Successful Multispecies Honeypot Colony


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#1 Offline UrbanOrganisms - Posted September 5 2021 - 9:13 AM

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I thought I'd make my first post a good one, so what better way to do this than with a multispecies honeypot ant colony? As the title suggests, I believe I am the first person to successfully found a multispecies honeypot ant colony in the world, and possibly the first successful multispecies colony in North America. A Myrmecocystus mexicanus and mimicus queen were placed together within a couple days of being caught from their nuptial flight roughly a month and a half ago and have founded together with the first mimicus worker hatching on September 4th, and the first mexicanus worker hatching today on September 5th, making it a true multispecies colony at this point. As you can see both the queens and workers are healthy with no signs of hostility to each other so far. Hopefully more workers continue hatching in the days to come. Whether or not this will work long term only time will tell, but regardless, I would say the fact that this worked is an amazing discovery in it of itself.

 

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#2 Offline AntBoi3030 - Posted September 5 2021 - 10:29 AM

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I thought I'd make my first post a good one, so what better way to do this than with a multispecies honeypot ant colony? As the title suggests, I believe I am the first person to successfully found a multispecies honeypot ant colony in the world, and possibly the first successful multispecies colony in North America. A Myrmecocystus mexicanus and mimicus queen were placed together within a couple days of being caught from their nuptial flight roughly a month and a half ago and have founded together with the first mimicus worker hatching on September 4th, and the first mexicanus worker hatching today on September 5th, making it a true multispecies colony at this point. As you can see both the queens and workers are healthy with no signs of hostility to each other so far. Hopefully more workers continue hatching in the days to come. Whether or not this will work long term only time will tell, but regardless, I would say the fact that this worked is an amazing discovery in it of itself.
 
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That’s insane, did you dunk them in vinegar? It would be so cool if they stayed like this long term.
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Pheidole Tysoni, Selonopis Molesta, Brachymyrmex Depilis, Tetramorium Immagrians, Prenolepis Imparis, Pheidole Bicirinata 


#3 Offline AntsUtah - Posted September 5 2021 - 11:04 AM

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It looks like their brood piles are separated, so it's probably only a matter of time until one of the colonies die (probably the mimicus). It would be awesome if this worked out, but it's one thing to have 2 founded colonies in the same container, and something completely different if you can get the workers to actually groom and feed each other, as well as take care of both species's larvae. Who knows though, perhaps this really will be a successful long term colony.


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#4 Offline SoySauce - Posted September 5 2021 - 12:14 PM

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I wonder what would happen if you mix up the two broods and make just a single brood pile???
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#5 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted September 5 2021 - 12:58 PM

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It looks like their brood piles are separated, so it's probably only a matter of time until one of the colonies die (probably the mimicus). It would be awesome if this worked out, but it's one thing to have 2 founded colonies in the same container, and something completely different if you can get the workers to actually groom and feed each other, as well as take care of both species's larvae. Who knows though, perhaps this really will be a successful long term colony.

2 queens in this close of a proximity could not have founded without coming in contact, which means these queens must be of the same colony gestalt. Workers eclosed into this colony will simply develop the same scent as their mothers, so this very well could work. However, it's notable that closely related species (species in the same genus like in this case) can often recognize other queens as rivals, if naturally, they are not polygynous. This means the queens could fight, or that the workers may pick one queen to kill later on. If this does not occur, though, the colony is basically set. I've had species from different subfamilies care for eachother's brood, and cooperate with queens and workers of both species. Two species in the same genus is barely any difference in behaviors and brood care. This is not at all impossible, and it's something we've been researching a long time.

 

That being said, this is not the first multispecies colony in North America. There's been some colonies that have lasted for weeks together and then had issues, and then there's some which I know of still going strong today. If these species cooperate and last for a long time, they could be the first long term successful multispecies colony. That determining moment is yet to come, though.


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#6 Offline KadinB - Posted September 5 2021 - 1:52 PM

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Damn congrats. I saw the post on your Instagram.


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#7 Offline ZTYguy - Posted September 5 2021 - 2:00 PM

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It’s just awesome to see. Thought it couldn’t be done but urban amazes yet again.


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#8 Offline NancyZamora4991 - Posted September 26 2021 - 7:35 AM

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update?


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#9 Offline cap_backfire - Posted September 30 2021 - 11:47 AM

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Curious how this is going! Any chance of an update???
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#10 Offline DaAnt - Posted September 30 2021 - 6:00 PM

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Update?
 



#11 Offline Zeiss - Posted September 30 2021 - 6:45 PM

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This is not going to last long term in such close proximity for those of you wanting an update.


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#12 Offline That_one_ant_guy - Posted October 11 2021 - 12:07 PM

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WOW, I've seen your yt vids and they are amazing!! Very impressive btw👌👌👌
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#13 Offline gcsnelling - Posted October 11 2021 - 3:25 PM

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Definitely not going to be a long term success.



#14 Offline JamesJohnson - Posted October 11 2021 - 5:54 PM

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Considering the lack of an update despite them being recently on (as in yesterday) I’d consider the worst.




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