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Orange County Temnothorax? ID 10/16/2020


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#1 Offline TestSubjectOne - Posted October 16 2020 - 10:55 AM

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1. Location Collected: Orange County, CA

2. Date Collected: Around 9/1/2020

3. Habitat Collected: Coastal sage shrub

4. Length: 1/8 inch

5. Coloration: Dark reddish

6. Distinctive Characteristics: Her egg is large compared to her body. Her gaster is swollen with honey.

7. Distinctive Behaviors: She was found over a month ago as a dealate but hasn't laid eggs until today and only has one. She is slow and doesn't react much to being disturbed.

9. Time Found: Found at 8:30 at night on the ground, likely flew earlier

 

10. Pictures:

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Edited by TestSubjectOne, October 16 2020 - 10:56 AM.

Currently Keeping:

- Camponotus sansabeanus (1 queen, 1-10 workers)   Camponotus semitestaceous (1 queen)   Camponotus lavigatus (1 queen, 1 worker)

- Veromessor pergandei (1 queen, 10-20 workers)

- Novomessor cockerelli (1 queen, 1-10 workers), (2 queens)

- Myrmcocystus mexicanus - boosted - (1 queen, 5 workers), (1 queen)

- Brachymyrmex patagonicus (3 queens 20-30 workers), (1 queen), (1 queen)   Solenopsis cf. molesta (1 queen), Temnothorax sp. (1 queen)

- Crematogaster sp. (1 queen, 1-10 workers), (1 queen)

- Liometopum occidentale (1 queen, 30 workers)

- Incisitermes minor / Drywood Termite (tons)


#2 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 16 2020 - 10:56 AM

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Looks like temnothorax to me.
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Colony wish list:

Lasius latipes
Temnothorax pilagens
Temnothorax Americanus
Myrmica semiparasitica
Any formica microgyna group sp.

#3 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted October 16 2020 - 11:20 AM

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that is one huge egg!


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#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted October 16 2020 - 12:11 PM

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Looks like it. I found a decapitated one in my front yard a couple weeks ago.


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Colonies:

Nylanderia vividula   (250 workers, and male/female alates)             Founding Queens                          

Lasius niger   (15 workers)                                                      Temnothorax nevadensisx12(1 queen with an egg)

Lasius cf. americanus   (55+ workers)                                     Tetramorium bicarinatum   (Larvae)

Pheidole navigans   (25+workers)                                            Lasius brevicornis(No brood)

Solenopsis molesta group  (4 workers)                                    Lasius cf. crypticus(no brood)

Solenopsis xyloni   (5 workers)                                


#5 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 16 2020 - 12:39 PM

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I want it!!!!


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Solenopsis molesta- 2 queens all workers escaped :(

Pheidole sp. 1 (1)

Veromessor pergandei- 3 queens 50ish workers and brood

Veromessor andrei-multiple colonies 2 for sale

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#6 Offline Ant_Dude2908 - Posted October 16 2020 - 12:41 PM

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Imma second Temnothorax.


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#7 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 16 2020 - 1:44 PM

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The huge egg and only a single egg could be a sign of a male and therefore infertility, although you can never be sure.
Colony wish list:

Lasius latipes
Temnothorax pilagens
Temnothorax Americanus
Myrmica semiparasitica
Any formica microgyna group sp.

#8 Offline TestSubjectOne - Posted October 16 2020 - 1:51 PM

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The huge egg and only a single egg could be a sign of a male and therefore infertility, although you can never be sure.

That's what I'm worried about, but I found the queen wingless and wandering on the ground which is a strong sign of fertility. I hope that large eggs, small broods and delayed laying are just a Temnothorax or sp. thing.

 

Edit: Just checked on her and she ate her egg. I'm sure it wasn't a result of being photographed as she was calm through the entire experience. That explains why I've seen no brood in the past month. It seems like she's infertile after all.


Edited by TestSubjectOne, October 16 2020 - 1:59 PM.

Currently Keeping:

- Camponotus sansabeanus (1 queen, 1-10 workers)   Camponotus semitestaceous (1 queen)   Camponotus lavigatus (1 queen, 1 worker)

- Veromessor pergandei (1 queen, 10-20 workers)

- Novomessor cockerelli (1 queen, 1-10 workers), (2 queens)

- Myrmcocystus mexicanus - boosted - (1 queen, 5 workers), (1 queen)

- Brachymyrmex patagonicus (3 queens 20-30 workers), (1 queen), (1 queen)   Solenopsis cf. molesta (1 queen), Temnothorax sp. (1 queen)

- Crematogaster sp. (1 queen, 1-10 workers), (1 queen)

- Liometopum occidentale (1 queen, 30 workers)

- Incisitermes minor / Drywood Termite (tons)


#9 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 16 2020 - 1:55 PM

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Mine were all infertile or died. :(


Solenopsis molesta- 2 queens all workers escaped :(

Pheidole sp. 1 (1)

Veromessor pergandei- 3 queens 50ish workers and brood

Veromessor andrei-multiple colonies 2 for sale

https://www.youtube....FG7utFVBA/about


#10 Offline dspdrew - Posted October 17 2020 - 1:57 AM

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I'll bet it's one of these two.

 

https://www.formicul...ated-11-8-2019/

https://www.formicul...ated-11-9-2019/

 

I usually find some of these every season in the canyons around here.

 

The first one (180) I have only found a few times on my black light, with the most being 3 queens in one season if I remember right. Some of these workers have gotten so big, I'm planning to take a closer look at them again to make sure I'm not mistaken.

 

The second one (181), I find in abundance and usually see them swarming in June just before sunset. These are very tiny, even smaller than S. molesta, which also swarms at the same time, and looks very similar.

 

One way to tell the queens apart under a microscope is the hairs on the second one (181) are more sparse, thicker and shorter. They almost look as if they were trimmed.

 

 

Edit: Actually now that I think about it, if it's that dark, and you found it in September, it's probably something else.


Edited by dspdrew, October 17 2020 - 2:10 AM.

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