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#1 Offline LC3 - Posted July 2 2018 - 10:56 PM

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https://onlinelibrar....1111/jbi.13380

 

Basically some of the species found in North America that are also found in Europe will now be recognized under different names as detailed in the paper above.

In summary:

Lasius alienus = Lasius americanus

Lasius flavus = Lasius brevicornis

Lasius umbratus = Lasius aphidicolus

Leptothorax muscorum = Leptothorax canadensis

 

Here are the pages from the paper:

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Thanks to AnthonyP163 for bringing this up in General Chat.


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#2 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted July 3 2018 - 3:56 AM

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Interesting.

It's probably gonna take me a while to get used to this change though...

 

Welp, better go change the title of my Lasius alienus journal.


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#3 Offline gcsnelling - Posted July 3 2018 - 4:06 AM

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About time, these changes have been a long time coming.


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#4 Offline AntsBC - Posted July 3 2018 - 12:13 PM

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And I thought the Tetramorium name change was annoying.... (Although it was highly needed)

 

Do you know when these changes go into effect? When I looked up some of these names on AntWiki it gave me this: http://www.antwiki.o...orax_canadensis and this: http://www.antwiki.org/wiki/Lasius_niger_americanus

 

(AntWiki isn't the best for staying up to date though)


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#5 Offline Barristan - Posted July 3 2018 - 12:27 PM

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Beside that your ant wiki links are completely wrong it takes some time for them to update everything. The paper was released 27th of June so not long ago.

 

Changes take place with publication of the paper. However I still don't know what happens when some Myrmecologists don't agree with these changes and write another paper suggesting another names. Like some European myrmecologists did because they were unhappy with some changes Ward et al. did.


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#6 Offline gcsnelling - Posted July 3 2018 - 12:44 PM

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When Myrmecologists disagree

 

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#7 Offline Miles - Posted July 3 2018 - 1:18 PM

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Thanks for posting this! I am looking at a Leptothorax canadensis queen right now.


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#9 Offline Barristan - Posted July 3 2018 - 1:48 PM

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But I wonder how they'll solve this issue... (but it is offtopic ;) )



#10 Offline gcsnelling - Posted July 3 2018 - 3:20 PM

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The changes will either be accepted or someone will publish a paper disputing things and reversing this decision. I suspect in this case there will not be too much disagreement.


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#11 Offline OmniusClone - Posted July 4 2018 - 12:10 AM

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Is there some difference in their morphology or phylogenetics, or are these ostensibly the same species?

 

 

Edit: Never mind, reading the paper answered my question. 


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#12 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted July 4 2018 - 12:12 AM

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Is there some difference in their morphology or phylogenetics, or are these ostensibly the same species?

They've been proven as different species.


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#13 Offline OmniusClone - Posted July 4 2018 - 12:21 AM

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Is there some difference in their morphology or phylogenetics, or are these ostensibly the same species?

They've been proven as different species.

 

 

 

Damn, I almost thought I'd made it through and edited before someone noticed.  :)


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#14 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted July 4 2018 - 10:10 AM

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And I thought the Tetramorium name change was annoying.... (Although it was highly needed)

 

Do you know when these changes go into effect? When I looked up some of these names on AntWiki it gave me this: http://www.antwiki.o...orax_canadensis and this: http://www.antwiki.org/wiki/Lasius_niger_americanus

 

(AntWiki isn't the best for staying up to date though)

I talked to myrmecologist Benoit Guenard, he works with antmaps. He says he hopes the changes will be added to antmaps.org by mid-July, but this isn't a guarantee.



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#15 Offline StayLoki - Posted July 16 2018 - 2:09 PM

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I always liked the way lasius flavus rolled off the tongue... I can't believe they changed it! (Although the article was very interesting, thank you for sharing!)
I'm not sure i'll get used to this right away lmao

#16 Offline StayLoki - Posted July 16 2018 - 2:10 PM

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And how can they change Lasius umbratus?!
It was only like the coolest name EVER lol

#17 Offline DaveJay - Posted July 19 2018 - 3:13 AM

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These name changes can take 100 years to be accepted, I wouldn't get too carried away changing things just yet. I made that mistake regarding fish only to find that the changes weren't accepted by the entire community, the first time new names are used in a paper is just considered a proposal until accepted and used by several prominent scientists several times in several new papers, and even then........?





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