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Craven's APHIS transport permit journal (wall of text) *Final Update 4/3/2017*

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#1 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted November 16 2016 - 11:44 AM

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So today I applied for an APHIS permit to transport pests species across state lines. T.C. (thanks) motivated me to give this process a try, so I figured I would document the process.

 

First thing first, you need to apply for an eAuth from the USDA. Luckily I am an employee of the USDA so I was able to use my existing eAuth. Using the credential you get through this process, you will be able to login to the ePermit website within Aphis.

 

There are numerous permits available, and several seem redundant. From my reading, it appears the permit that fits the need of interstate transport of insects in PPQ 526. The entire application is pretty straight forward, starting off asking for your personal information, the delving into reasons and species you will be transporting.

 

The reasoning for my desire to transport these "pests" is where I got a little creative. I declared that it was for an "Other" reason and in the description I described myself as an amateur myrmecologist ( :] ) that was going to keep the ants as a personal hobby.

 

When declaring the species you will be transporting, the ePermit site provides a huge selection of species from across the taxonomic spectrum to choose from, not just ant species. You can use the drop down menus to narrow down your selection to anthropods and from there you will be able to select whatever you want. Since I do not know what species I will come across, I selected the very general family Formicidae to cover all basis.

 

After you navigate this page and select everything you want, they ask how you will be transporting your pest. again, keeping ants as a hobby must not be common enough to warrant its own selection, so I chose other and got creative. I described the typical test tube set up and stated this set up would be placed inside a sealed cooler to act as a redundant containment system (fancy).

 

From here on, it becomes straight forward again. The site asks from where the pests will be collected (I selected the continental US) and where they will end up (my address). When entering the origination info, I decided to include the option for air and express shipment in hopes that I may be able to receive queens from parts of the country I may not visit.

 

After this pretty easy process, all you do is hit submit and wait an estimated 80 days. We will see if this pays off or if I have to critique it and try again. Lets hope they give reasons if they deny my permit. If you read this wall of text, thanks! I will keep this post updated as news arrives! :playboy:


Edited by CallMeCraven, April 3 2017 - 7:44 AM.

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#2 Offline drtrmiller - Posted November 16 2016 - 12:07 PM

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For exotic insects (designated plant pests), the United States Department of Agriculture inspects and issues permits to BSL-3 and above facilities on a case-by-case basis, the complete process taking up to 6 months. This requirement is out of reach for all but university/research use.

Beyond that, the lack of specificity (eg. all Formicidae) will absolutely guarantee your application goes nowhere.


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#3 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted November 16 2016 - 12:12 PM

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For exotic insects (designated plant pests), the United States Department of Agriculture inspects and issues permits to BSL-3 and above facilities on a case-by-case basis, the complete process taking up to 6 months. This requirement is out of reach for all but university/research use.

Beyond that, the lack of specificity (eg. all Formicidae) will absolutely guarantee your application goes nowhere.

I am not trying for exotic species, just domestic species. The permit for interstate travel is the PPQ 526 form and current wait time listed on the APHIS sites is the 80 days. As the species are domestic, or naturalized, there is no permit required for keeping them as a hobbyist, as far as I know.  If i decide to try for exotic species I will keep you comment in mind :D. I do have a have an email out to the state entomologist with my agency for some guidance.


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#4 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted November 16 2016 - 12:34 PM

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*UPDATED* Made changes to my application. Some of the grammar is compromised due to character restraints.

 

Here is what my application looks like in case anyone is interested

 

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Edited by CallMeCraven, November 18 2016 - 8:59 AM.

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#5 Offline FSTP - Posted November 18 2016 - 12:54 AM

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Can't wait to see how this turns out... I'll be following this thread for sure. Thanks for posting. I've gone through similar process importing exotic/rare plants from over seas in the past.  I think the 80 days is a bit optimistic...


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#6 Offline dspdrew - Posted November 18 2016 - 2:01 AM

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What domestic species are you going through all this trouble to get?



#7 Offline drtrmiller - Posted November 18 2016 - 2:05 AM

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Final disposition is how you plan to dispose of or destroy the organism when you're finished with it, and the escape prevention section preceding it relates to on-site containment.


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#8 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted November 18 2016 - 8:36 AM

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What domestic species are you going through all this trouble to get?

 

Its more in case i find any species in my travels out of my state. My job takes me to ID, OR, UT, and CA and since I am outdoors collecting vegetation data, I stand a decent chance of finding queens. I am going through all this 1.) as an experiment to see if they will issue a permit to a hobbyist and 2.) in the even I do find a queen or two while out of state, I don't get in trouble with the department I work for :D.

Final disposition is how you plan to dispose of or destroy the organism when you're finished with it, and the escape prevention section preceding it relates to on-site containment.

I thought it was something like this :(. I listed it the way I did because I can not foresee any plans of destroying any queens I acquire. I will go back to try to edit this application to include a plan for final disposition. Thanks for the advice!

 

*I update the pics above to show my edited application*


Edited by CallMeCraven, November 18 2016 - 9:00 AM.

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#9 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted December 8 2016 - 3:59 PM

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I received an email today that my permit request has moved on to the next round of processing and requires me to answer a survey about my facilities and methods. Here is a pic of of the survey for those interested:

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These may take me a little bit longer to answer than the initial application.


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#10 Offline T.C. - Posted December 8 2016 - 5:59 PM

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Yeah, you got some work there to do. Get on it! :D


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#11 Offline Saftron - Posted December 8 2016 - 6:07 PM

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Very interesting, awesome experiment you are doing definitely following!



#12 Offline Loops117 - Posted December 9 2016 - 6:27 AM

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Oh man. I'm excited to see how this turns out.



#13 Offline T.C. - Posted December 9 2016 - 6:50 AM

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Oh man. I'm excited to see how this turns out.

Me too, if it turns out good for him, i am going to do the same. If I don't get this permit, how else can I keep my dream species? :(


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#14 Offline gcsnelling - Posted December 10 2016 - 7:59 AM

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I must admit this is an interesting experiment, but I truly hope it does get shot down.


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#15 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted December 12 2016 - 5:07 PM

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I must admit this is an interesting experiment, but I truly hope it does get shot down.

I truly do expect it to. The only reason I am doing this is because my ecological site work for the USDA takes me to Southern Idaho and Oregon on a regular basis. In all likely hood they species available there are the same as my local area, but I would rather play it safe if I ever do collect queens from there and not [censored] off my employer :D. Also my USDA credentials that use every day eliminates much of the hassle to attempt this. If it does get through and they do issue me permit, it most likely will sit unused. I will not collect species such as RIFA or argentine ants, and I am not sure those have even made it to my area yet. This is just a try and see type situation :D.

Edited by CallMeCraven, December 12 2016 - 5:48 PM.

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Harmony with land is like harmony with a friend; you cannot cherish his right hand and chop off his left.

-Aldo Leopold


#16 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted December 12 2016 - 5:09 PM

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*Update 12/12/16*

I have just about finished up the survey that they sent me. I really did not anticipate the lengthy standard operating procedures document, but I pounded it out to the best of my ability :D. This is probably going to make someone's day at APHIS. I know they will love my microsoft paint floorplan of my apartment :lol: .


Edited by CallMeCraven, December 12 2016 - 5:09 PM.

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-Aldo Leopold


#17 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted December 19 2016 - 4:39 PM

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I sent in the the survey today with all appropriate pictures/files and discussions. I made a point to make it abundantly clear that I am an amateur with no intentions of using the permit for professional reasons. I would post screenshots like I had done with the previous steps, but I didn't want to take the time to censor out all of my personal information. If, by some miracle/pity, my application is successful, I will be happy to provide advice for anyone else who may want to undertake this. I will be sure to continue posting here when I get news of my probable decline, and I will also be sure to post any comments they give me. Based on the semi-ridiculous nature of asking for an APHIS permit for my personal ant keeping agenda, I am sure any comments they provide will be noteworthy and amusing :lol:.


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Harmony with land is like harmony with a friend; you cannot cherish his right hand and chop off his left.

-Aldo Leopold


#18 Offline T.C. - Posted December 19 2016 - 5:36 PM

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I must admit this is an interesting experiment, but I truly hope it does get shot down.

Like Craven said, it probably will get shot down. While I can understand you worrying about someone getting this permit and abusing there privilege. I certainly think a person that is responsible and knows how it all works, should be just fine with this permit. Are you talking about it getting in the wrong hands?


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#19 Offline Miles - Posted February 9 2017 - 12:38 PM

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Has this progressed at all?


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#20 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted February 9 2017 - 1:33 PM

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No word yet unfortunately. I check APHIS last week and it is still pending.


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-Aldo Leopold






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