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Pheidole Rhea - Really Native To California?

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#1 Offline JamesJohnson - Posted July 1 2021 - 6:44 PM

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Pheidole rhea is one of the coolest species out of one of the coolest genuses. Not only are they trimorphic, but they're also massive, with queens getting to be 16-18 mm long. So it was to my delight and surprise when I looked at AntMaps and saw that it was native to California. But although this made me really excited, something felt off. There were no specific records of them in California, instead the only two sources were from one book, A New Island Biogeography of the Sea of Cortes. This book, as you might tell from the title, is about the biogeography of the Sea of Cortes (Baja California). Now, I have not read this book as I don't have 160 dollars for me to use on such a small thing, but I seriously doubt that it would talk about fauna native to California but not Baja California. And now this leaves me in a pickle on the nativeness of Pheidole rhea. What do you guys think? 


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#2 Offline NickAnter - Posted July 1 2021 - 6:48 PM

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They might be somewhere in Imperial County, if anywhere, were I to guess. But they, like O. clarus, are probably extremely rare in an isolated locality. Anywhere Southern close to the AZ border would be the best bet.


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Species being kept:

 

Solenopsis truncorum, Solenopsis "plebeius", Solenopsis validiuscula, Solenopsis sp., Solenopsis xyloni, Solenopsis amblychila, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus maritimus, Formica cf. subaenescens, Formica cf. aerata, Lasius cf. americanus, Lasius aphidicola, Lasius brevicornis, Lasius nr claviger, Pheidole navigans, Nylanderia vividula, Aphaenogaster occidentalis, Temnothorax rudis, Temnothorax cf. nitens, Pogonomyrmex californicus, and Strumigenys membranifera

 

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#3 Offline ReignofRage - Posted July 1 2021 - 6:54 PM

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P. rhea is most likley only along the border like Nick said, considering that no hobbiests have seen them it's a low chance. That being said there is possibly small pockets of them, you just have to spend the load of time to actually find them.



#4 Offline gcsnelling - Posted July 2 2021 - 2:33 AM

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I would have to say that  it is not a species native to California.  With as much time as my father and I and others have spent collecting in the California deserts a species with colonies as large and conspicuous as this one has, it would certainly have been seen by now. Any records of this species in California are almost certainly based on misidentified specimens.


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#5 Offline ReignofRage - Posted July 2 2021 - 2:58 AM

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I would have to say that  it is not a species native to California.  With as much time as my father and I and others have spent collecting in the California deserts a species with colonies as large and conspicuous as this one has, it would certainly have been seen by now. Any records of this species in California are almost certainly based on misidentified specimens.

There is no records for this species in California to my knowledge. Antmaps.org, for some reason, has it listed as native with no scientific record or even Inaturalist observations.


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#6 Offline ANTdrew - Posted July 2 2021 - 3:58 AM

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#7 Offline gcsnelling - Posted July 2 2021 - 4:27 PM

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I would have to say that  it is not a species native to California.  With as much time as my father and I and others have spent collecting in the California deserts a species with colonies as large and conspicuous as this one has, it would certainly have been seen by now. Any records of this species in California are almost certainly based on misidentified specimens.

There is no records for this species in California to my knowledge. Antmaps.org, for some reason, has it listed as native with no scientific record or even Inaturalist observations.

 

There tend to be a lot of records based on mislabeled or misidentified specimens. I would take those with a grain salt.


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