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#1 Offline MrOdontomachus - Posted June 21 2020 - 7:17 AM

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TL;DR AntsCanada has a large audience who knows nothing about antkeeping. Therefore he is an entertainer, not an antkeeper. However, new antkeepers very often get started watching his videos and he gets a lot of people into the hobby who have a lot more to contribute than he does. He does encourage these new ant keepers to keep exotic species, though this risk is offset by his benefits to the hobby.

Greetings Formiculture,

 

Now I know this is somewhat of a hot topic on here, but I feel the topic of AC needs to be discussed. DISCUSSED, not argued. We should engage in the civilized and productive form of debate that involves no raising of voices and ruffling of feathers but actually gets people to change their opinions.

 

The main debate surrounding him on this forum is that people post really negative remarks about him, and then other people think that he is not deserving of those insults. However, here I'd like to give my opinion. Allow me to present a hypothetical scenario for you:

 

We, the formiculture communtiy, have merged together into a single antkeeping god, the supreme authority on myrmecology and lord of all ants. In the year 2020 A.D., we look down upon Earth and see a mortal who displeases us. A human male by the name of Mikey Bustos started with ant tutorials, mostly for beginners, that were actually good, but now has transformed into making cringey "ant stories". We could strike him down in seconds. Yet of course we do not. But why? I'll use another story to explain.

 

Allow me to tell you the story of a young antkeeper named Adrian. Adrian had loved animals all his life, and kept fish and a lizard (but not ants). He, of course, wanted and as was ready to care for more, but that would have to wait until he saved up more pocket change. One day he stumbled upon an AntsCanada video. He watched through the first 10 minutes, thought it mildly interesting, but closed the computer and went to feed his lizard. 

 

A few months later, he was on another favorite forum of his, Monsterfishkeepers.com, or MFK. There he saw a member asking if anyone had bought fish from myhomenature.com, a Chinese-based website that sells all sorts of stuff. Adrian went on myhomenature.com and began to look through it. He saw noticed that they sold ants. Out of curiosity he clicked on the their ant listings. He scrolled through it disinterested, but two listings caught his eye. Harpegnathos venator and Odontomachus monticola. He had no idea ants could look like that. He knew more about ants than most kids his age, but still he was baffled. Why did their mandibles look like that? Why could both of them jump so high? Heck, he didn't know anything about ants. He looked them up and found a site called antwiki.com that got its photos from this guy Alex Wild. The second he opened alexanderwild.com, he was hooked. There were just...so...many of them! A lot of them didn't even look like ants! What did they do? Why did some of them have these huge heads? Which ones were the queens? He had to know more.

 

Of course, he knew where to look. Adrian started his antkeeping journey by watching every AntsCanada video from the past 2 years. It taught him all he needed to know, and when he wanted to know more, he'd go on another YouTube channel or on antwiki. He was elated when he caught his first queen in December 2020. Eventually he became a better antkeeper than AntsCanada himself as he learned the ins and outs of the delicate practice of rearing ants. He became better with every mistake he made, and he made a lot, though he still knew he had a lot more to make. As summer rolled around, he found more and more ant queens, and eventually came across two small ant channels, by the names of Ferox Formicae and Ant_Dude2908 (the name of which was changed to Tennessee Ants), and that was how he found the wonderful community of Formiculture.com.

 

Adrian is, of course, me. And yes, Adrian is my real name. The moral of this story is that without AC, I absolutely wouldn't be here with you all. When you first get into the hobby, memorizing all the different genera and their characteristics can be overwhelming and AntsCanada helps you through the basics, which aren't that basic and do require some practice (for example, it took me a long time to figure out how to put a cotton ball in a test tube without the water spilling out and flooding the tube). AC is undoubtedly one of the biggest influences on the antkeeping community, and like anyone who influences, he has negative and positive influences.

 

But before I talk about them, I want to make sure we all know that he's in it for the money and not for the ants. He must not bore his now massive audience of laymen with too much ant stuff. He must keep it interesting but not boring, so he only covers the basics. This is precisely what makes him so invaluable to the antkeeping community, that he is a one-stop shop for newbies to learn about antkeeping. However, he does have a few negative influences. Most of these problems stem from the fact that fanboys want to be just like him.

 

1. He encourages people to keep exotics.

Now I'm not going to pick sides on the very hot debate about exotic species which you are all doubtless familiar with. The problem is, he encourages NEWBIES to keep exotics. Imagine a new European antkeeper buys a carebara diversa colony (I'm using this for an example but really anything will do here)  because AC did it. The carebara immediately get loose. Then what? Even worse, he might encourage newbies in Europe to keep Solenopsis so they can have a "Fire Nation". The Fire Nation basically made his channel and S. geminata is probably the species that he talks about the most. I can 100% see a S. geminata colonization of Europe because of him.

 

2. He's not that great of an antkeeper.

Like I said before, he's an entertainer, not an antkeeper, and he's very good at his job. It's just, his job isn't antkeeping. He doesn't mention it much (for obvious reasons) but he has an "assistant" that likely does all the actual work for him. Beyond the basics, he really doesn't know all that much and newbies may not understand why their ants keep dying after copying whatever the hell AC does.

 

All in all, though, I think AC's benefits, namely getting people into the hobby and guiding them through the basics greatly outweigh the negative effects of his influence. If anyone disagrees, please debate with me. But let's keep it civil and not spiral downward into personal attacks and the standard forum fights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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#2 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted June 21 2020 - 7:42 AM

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TL;DR AntsCanada has a large audience who knows nothing about antkeeping. Therefore he is an entertainer, not an antkeeper. However, new antkeepers very often get started watching his videos and he gets a lot of people into the hobby who have a lot more to contribute than he does. He does encourage these new ant keepers to keep exotic species, though this risk is offset by his benefits to the hobby.

Greetings Formiculture,

 

Now I know this is somewhat of a hot topic on here, but I feel the topic of AC needs to be discussed. DISCUSSED, not argued. We should engage in the civilized and productive form of debate that involves no raising of voices and ruffling of feathers but actually gets people to change their opinions.

 

The main debate surrounding him on this forum is that people post really negative remarks about him, and then other people think that he is not deserving of those insults. However, here I'd like to give my opinion. Allow me to present a hypothetical scenario for you:

 

We, the formiculture communtiy, have merged together into a single antkeeping god, the supreme authority on myrmecology and lord of all ants. In the year 2020 A.D., we look down upon Earth and see a mortal who displeases us. A human male by the name of Mikey Bustos started with ant tutorials, mostly for beginners, that were actually good, but now has transformed into making cringey "ant stories". We could strike him down in seconds. Yet of course we do not. But why? I'll use another story to explain.

 

Allow me to tell you the story of a young antkeeper named Adrian. Adrian had loved animals all his life, and kept fish and a lizard (but not ants). He, of course, wanted and as was ready to care for more, but that would have to wait until he saved up more pocket change. One day he stumbled upon an AntsCanada video. He watched through the first 10 minutes, thought it mildly interesting, but closed the computer and went to feed his lizard. 

 

A few months later, he was on another favorite forum of his, Monsterfishkeepers.com, or MFK. There he saw a member asking if anyone had bought fish from myhomenature.com, a Chinese-based website that sells all sorts of stuff. Adrian went on myhomenature.com and began to look through it. He saw noticed that they sold ants. Out of curiosity he clicked on the their ant listings. He scrolled through it disinterested, but two listings caught his eye. Harpegnathos venator and Odontomachus monticola. He had no idea ants could look like that. He knew more about ants than most kids his age, but still he was baffled. Why did their mandibles look like that? Why could both of them jump so high? Heck, he didn't know anything about ants. He looked them up and found a site called antwiki.com that got its photos from this guy Alex Wild. The second he opened alexanderwild.com, he was hooked. There were just...so...many of them! A lot of them didn't even look like ants! What did they do? Why did some of them have these huge heads? Which ones were the queens? He had to know more.

 

Of course, he knew where to look. Adrian started his antkeeping journey by watching every AntsCanada video from the past 2 years. It taught him all he needed to know, and when he wanted to know more, he'd go on another YouTube channel or on antwiki. He was elated when he caught his first queen in December 2020. Eventually he became a better antkeeper than AntsCanada himself as he learned the ins and outs of the delicate practice of rearing ants. He became better with every mistake he made, and he made a lot, though he still knew he had a lot more to make. As summer rolled around, he found more and more ant queens, and eventually came across two small ant channels, by the names of Ferox Formicae and Ant_Dude2908 (the name of which was changed to Tennessee Ants), and that was how he found the wonderful community of Formiculture.com.

 

Adrian is, of course, me. And yes, Adrian is my real name. The moral of this story is that without AC, I absolutely wouldn't be here with you all. When you first get into the hobby, memorizing all the different genera and their characteristics can be overwhelming and AntsCanada helps you through the basics, which aren't that basic and do require some practice (for example, it took me a long time to figure out how to put a cotton ball in a test tube without the water spilling out and flooding the tube). AC is undoubtedly one of the biggest influences on the antkeeping community, and like anyone who influences, he has negative and positive influences.

 

But before I talk about them, I want to make sure we all know that he's in it for the money and not for the ants. He must not bore his now massive audience of laymen with too much ant stuff. He must keep it interesting but not boring, so he only covers the basics. This is precisely what makes him so invaluable to the antkeeping community, that he is a one-stop shop for newbies to learn about antkeeping. However, he does have a few negative influences. Most of these problems stem from the fact that fanboys want to be just like him.

 

1. He encourages people to keep exotics.

Now I'm not going to pick sides on the very hot debate about exotic species which you are all doubtless familiar with. The problem is, he encourages NEWBIES to keep exotics. Imagine a new European antkeeper buys a carebara diversa colony (I'm using this for an example but really anything will do here)  because AC did it. The carebara immediately get loose. Then what? Even worse, he might encourage newbies in Europe to keep Solenopsis so they can have a "Fire Nation". The Fire Nation basically made his channel and S. geminata is probably the species that he talks about the most. I can 100% see a S. geminata colonization of Europe because of him.

 

2. He's not that great of an antkeeper.

Like I said before, he's an entertainer, not an antkeeper, and he's very good at his job. It's just, his job isn't antkeeping. He doesn't mention it much (for obvious reasons) but he has an "assistant" that likely does all the actual work for him. Beyond the basics, he really doesn't know all that much and newbies may not understand why their ants keep dying after copying whatever the hell AC does.

 

All in all, though, I think AC's benefits, namely getting people into the hobby and guiding them through the basics greatly outweigh the negative effects of his influence. If anyone disagrees, please debate with me. But let's keep it civil and not spiral downward into personal attacks and the standard forum fights.

Huh. Well said.

 

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#3 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted June 21 2020 - 8:04 AM

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Even worse, he might encourage newbies in Europe to keep Solenopsis so they can have a "Fire Nation". The Fire Nation basically made his channel and S. geminata is probably the species that he talks about the most. I can 100% see a S. geminata colonization of Europe because of him.

 

 

S. geminata has already been Indoor Introduced to parts of Europe (not surprisingly), thankfully Europe is such a subideal environment for them that they have trouble spreading anywhere (with a few exceptions of course). 

 

 


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#4 Offline ANTdrew - Posted June 21 2020 - 8:38 AM

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I feel the same way as you do. I learned a lot from his older videos like the one about when different species fly. Anybody who tries to sell ants should consider how many you’d sell if there was no AC?
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#5 Offline TechAnt - Posted June 21 2020 - 9:39 AM

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I feel the same way as you do. I learned a lot from his older videos like the one about when different species fly. Anybody who tries to sell ants should consider how many you’d sell if there was no AC?

I agree

And this post was brilliant.
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(x1) Camponotus vicinus ~10 workers, 1 Queen (all black variety)
(x1) Tetramorium immigrans ~100 workers, 1 Queen
(x1) Myrmercocystus mexicanus -1 Queen
(x2) Mymercocystus mimcus -1 Queen
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1. He encourages people to keep exotics.

Now I'm not going to pick sides on the very hot debate about exotic species which you are all doubtless familiar with. The problem is, he encourages NEWBIES to keep exotics. Imagine a new European antkeeper buys a carebara diversa colony (I'm using this for an example but really anything will do here)  because AC did it. The carebara immediately get loose. Then what? Even worse, he might encourage newbies in Europe to keep Solenopsis so they can have a "Fire Nation". The Fire Nation basically made his channel and S. geminata is probably the species that he talks about the most. I can 100% see a S. geminata colonization of Europe because of him.

 

 Actually, in the past he said he supported the native side of the debate. He said this in his video about where to buy queen ants, and getting started.


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1. He encourages people to keep exotics.
Now I'm not going to pick sides on the very hot debate about exotic species which you are all doubtless familiar with. The problem is, he encourages NEWBIES to keep exotics. Imagine a new European antkeeper buys a carebara diversa colony (I'm using this for an example but really anything will do here)  because AC did it. The carebara immediately get loose. Then what? Even worse, he might encourage newbies in Europe to keep Solenopsis so they can have a "Fire Nation". The Fire Nation basically made his channel and S. geminata is probably the species that he talks about the most. I can 100% see a S. geminata colonization of Europe because of him.

 Actually, in the past he said he supported the native side of the debate. He said this in his video about where to buy queen ants, and getting started.

Remember, IN THE PAST. But his actions show otherwise, from keeping ants that encourages viewers to buy them when they are not native. Along with releasing his colonies into the wild, which puts him basically on the exotic side. Not willing to start a argument, but I just wanted to point that out.
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(x1) Campontous semitstaceus ~20 workers, 1 Queen
(x1) Camponotus vicinus ~10 workers, 1 Queen (all black variety)
(x1) Tetramorium immigrans ~100 workers, 1 Queen
(x1) Myrmercocystus mexicanus -1 Queen
(x2) Mymercocystus mimcus -1 Queen
(x1) Mymercocystus testaceus ~45 workers, 1 Queen

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1. He encourages people to keep exotics.
Now I'm not going to pick sides on the very hot debate about exotic species which you are all doubtless familiar with. The problem is, he encourages NEWBIES to keep exotics. Imagine a new European antkeeper buys a carebara diversa colony (I'm using this for an example but really anything will do here)  because AC did it. The carebara immediately get loose. Then what? Even worse, he might encourage newbies in Europe to keep Solenopsis so they can have a "Fire Nation". The Fire Nation basically made his channel and S. geminata is probably the species that he talks about the most. I can 100% see a S. geminata colonization of Europe because of him.

 Actually, in the past he said he supported the native side of the debate. He said this in his video about where to buy queen ants, and getting started.

Remember, IN THE PAST. But his actions show otherwise, from keeping ants that encourages viewers to buy them when they are not native. Along with releasing his colonies into the wild, which puts him basically on the exotic side. Not willing to start a argument, but I just wanted to point that out.

 

This video is only 3 years old, he had his "Fire Nation" when this video was made.
 


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#9 Offline Temperateants - Posted June 21 2020 - 10:56 AM

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I feel the same way as you do. I learned a lot from his older videos like the one about when different species fly. Anybody who tries to sell ants should consider how many you’d sell if there was no AC?

Honestly, I could totally sell ants on Discord or even formiculture, but you can make the argument many people on there are from AC. Sure, he inspires people to start in ant keeping, but I think he doesn't really do good things with that power. Sure, a video anthropomorphising ants attracts people, but I think he should balance that sort of content with informative content, or even making informative content on the side. My friend who wanted to keep ants after watching AC wanted to start off with RIFA or bullet ants. Obviously a problem. Educate people more on ants that are in the region, so we have less people importing exotics or saying "I want RIFA and bullet ants because the ants near my house are boring." And of course, the GAN. I think GAN should implement some sort of basic competency test. Sure, OP said AC got him into antkeeping when he saw many videos, but the latest AC videos are not informative in the slightest. This is why kids look at AC and want to keep ants, but do not know any basics like how to handle or care for them. Too many times customers of mine ask very basic questions they should have learned online. Sure, most of us joined the hobby because of AC, but we had the luxury of him actually making informative content, not the drama of 2019 and the lack of ideas of 2020;


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I sort of got into antkeeping through AC. I was first aware how to keep ants after seeing tetra battles and then researching how to keep ant colonies. After that I kind of drifted off and forgot about it. After a while I found the some AC videos and they helping me get hooked again, and I've been into antkeeping ever since!


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He literally just fed snot to his ants... that is so gross and potentially dangerous
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#12 Offline Antkid12 - Posted June 21 2020 - 11:46 AM

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He literally just fed snot to his ants... that is so gross and potentially dangerous

Yea, I was kind of surprised he would do that kind of thing.


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He literally just fed snot to his ants... that is so gross and potentially dangerous

Not as gross (but antscanada video was still disgusting) as people on discord taking their "yellow rain" fetish that belongs on phub and trying to make it scientific and about ants as their excuse lol.


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I don't even think this was needed to be made.  People just need to stop using the forum to complain about what someone does online with their own time and where it's legal to get exotics.  


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#15 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 21 2020 - 12:44 PM

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Exactly. If you don't like him, don't watch him. Then you have no need to complain and clog up the forum with a bunch of useless rubbish.


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However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


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He literally just fed snot to his ants... that is so gross and potentially dangerous

AC: “Now guys, I know what some of you may be thinking: he’s officially run out of ideas, guys. Well, no. I’ve been wanting to do this experiment ever since I started this channel, ten years ago.”

Oh, yeah. That’s good, right there. Almost had me fooled.
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#17 Offline MrOdontomachus - Posted June 21 2020 - 1:22 PM

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Exactly. If you don't like him, don't watch him. Then you have no need to complain and clog up the forum with a bunch of useless rubbish.

 

 

I don't even think this was needed to be made.  People just need to stop using the forum to complain about what someone does online with their own time and where it's legal to get exotics.  

The main point of this was to funnel discussions about AC off other threads since it seems to pop up every second thread. I'm hoping to get the "useless rubbish" off other threads that are OT and therefore decrease the amount of useless rubbish on the main parts of the forum.
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The main point of this was to funnel discussions about AC off other threads since it seems to pop up every second thread. I'm hoping to get the "useless rubbish" off other threads that are OT and therefore decrease the amount of useless rubbish on the main parts of the forum.
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That makes no sense.



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Maybe Drew should make a debate section which doesn’t show up in recent posts so people can have a place to go rant if they want to and also not clog up Formiculture? Idk how hard it is to do but it’s just and idea.
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The main point of this was to funnel discussions about AC off other threads since it seems to pop up every second thread. I'm hoping to get the "useless rubbish" off other threads that are OT and therefore decrease the amount of useless rubbish on the main parts of the forum.
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That makes no sense.
He means he wants all talk about AC on this one thread, and not scattered across dozens of other threads.
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