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ANTdrew's Crematogaster Divas Journal

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#581 Offline OiledOlives - Posted March 28 2022 - 10:48 AM

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Gyne is definitely alive then. Nice!



#582 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 5 2022 - 7:51 AM

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Update 4-5-2022

 

Time to stop griping and get off our gasters with better content on here. To that end, here's an update on my Divas. They have been extremely active lately and very focused on brood growth. This is actually my favorite time of year to keep this species since they become so voracious. Midsummer would be my least favorite time due to their usually taking a break from colony growth.

 

They currently have at least six or seven fat queen larvae, and perhaps there are even more I can't see in the mess of ants. Lots of new workers are eclosing as well, so instead of giving up on this colony like I was planning to do just a few weeks ago, I now have some hope for them. Queen Sigyn could very possibly still be in there, but in Loch Ness Monster mode. It would be really cool, though, to see if they had mated intranidally. In that case, I might be the first person to document it for this species. Myrmicines do many weird and wonderful things, so who knows? I'll have to wait and see what keeps developing for them. They're new powerfeeding regimen should help with whatever they're up to.

 

Here's a better photo of some of the queen larvae. There's some even bigger ones just behind this scrum of workers.

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Here's one of Sigyn's daughters from last season. Could she be inseminated and producing now? One always has to keep hope alive...
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#583 Offline Temperateants - Posted April 5 2022 - 11:52 AM

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Update 4-5-2022

 

Time to stop griping and get off our gasters with better content on here. To that end, here's an update on my Divas. They have been extremely active lately and very focused on brood growth. This is actually my favorite time of year to keep this species since they become so voracious. Midsummer would be my least favorite time due to their usually taking a break from colony growth.

 

They currently have at least six or seven fat queen larvae, and perhaps there are even more I can't see in the mess of ants. Lots of new workers are eclosing as well, so instead of giving up on this colony like I was planning to do just a few weeks ago, I now have some hope for them. Queen Sigyn could very possibly still be in there, but in Loch Ness Monster mode. It would be really cool, though, to see if they had mated intranidally. In that case, I might be the first person to document it for this species. Myrmicines do many weird and wonderful things, so who knows? I'll have to wait and see what keeps developing for them. They're new powerfeeding regimen should help with whatever they're up to.

 

Here's a better photo of some of the queen larvae. There's some even bigger ones just behind this scrum of workers.

 
 
Here's one of Sigyn's daughters from last season. Could she be inseminated and producing now? One always has to keep hope alive...

 

I really hope Sigyn is still alive in there. If not, has it ever been observed in nature that the queen's daughter can "inherit the throne?"


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#584 Offline azzaaazzzz00 - Posted April 5 2022 - 12:49 PM

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Hey, maybe she's in the very back sitting on a throne made of brood...wait ants can't really "sit" can they?


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#585 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted April 5 2022 - 2:20 PM

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I really hope Sigyn is still alive in there. If not, has it ever been observed in nature that the queen's daughter can "inherit the throne?"

Well there are gamergates, and even if you're only talking about queen alates, there are inbreeding species, so sort of. But inbreeding species are all already polygynous, and the in-nest mating just increases the number of queens, doesn't replace them. So to my knowledge there hasn't been a case where a monogynous species has a single queen alate mate in the nest to replace the mother queen.


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#586 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 5 2022 - 3:17 PM

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I really hope Sigyn is still alive in there. If not, has it ever been observed in nature that the queen's daughter can "inherit the throne?"

Well there are gamergates, and even if you're only talking about queen alates, there are inbreeding species, so sort of. But inbreeding species are all already polygynous, and the in-nest mating just increases the number of queens, doesn't replace them. So to my knowledge there hasn't been a case where a monogynous species has a single queen alate mate in the nest to replace the mother queen.
So what is your theory about what is going on here, Mett?
I’d love to hear theories from other folks like Cheeto, Anthony, or TennesseeAnts as well.

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#587 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted April 5 2022 - 4:09 PM

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Well as others have mentioned, it would be the first record of something like this happening so that makes it seem unlikely to me, though I guess nothing is impossible. The original queen still being alive seems the most likely to me. I guess in a couple weeks we'll see whether that mass of eggs are worker or male eggs. If they turn out to be workers and the colony, one way or another, has an egg-laying queen, I don't know how one would even tell if it's the original queen or a new one.


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#588 Offline Canadian anter - Posted April 6 2022 - 6:06 AM

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I really hope Sigyn is still alive in there. If not, has it ever been observed in nature that the queen's daughter can "inherit the throne?"

Well there are gamergates, and even if you're only talking about queen alates, there are inbreeding species, so sort of. But inbreeding species are all already polygynous, and the in-nest mating just increases the number of queens, doesn't replace them. So to my knowledge there hasn't been a case where a monogynous species has a single queen alate mate in the nest to replace the mother queen.
So what is your theory about what is going on here, Mett?
I’d love to hear theories from other folks like Cheeto, Anthony, or TennesseeAnts as well.

 

I remember Otter has had a colony of these produce inbred fertilized alates (although I think he removed them), so I don't think it's impossible someone took over.


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#589 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 6 2022 - 7:07 AM

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Wow! For real? I need to get in touch with him then.
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#590 Online ANTdrew - Posted May 13 2022 - 8:10 AM

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Update 5-13-2022

 

Happy Friday the 13th, all. As I track the progress of the this colony recently, the glimmer of hope I had a few weeks ago that they still have a producing queen is starting to fade. They have still have massive brood pile, but it is entirely made up of males at this point. The few queens and new workers that eclosed lately must have been laid last fall before the incident happened when I lost track of Sigyn. The upside is they will probably be able to stage a good nuptial flight this year if I figure out how to make that happen, but I'm leaning towards moving on from this colony to make room for a new one. Here are some brood photos and a GIF. Try to find the males.

 

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#591 Offline UtahAnts - Posted May 13 2022 - 1:00 PM

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Awesome GIF! How did you make it?


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#592 Online ANTdrew - Posted May 13 2022 - 1:16 PM

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Thanks! I shot a video with my phone and a macro lens. Then I uploaded it to ezgif.com and converted it.
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"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
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#593 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted May 14 2022 - 6:03 AM

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Interesting... Are you planning on keeping them much longer? I'd be interested to see what happens with all those new males.

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#594 Online ANTdrew - Posted May 14 2022 - 6:17 AM

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I don’t know, man. I feel like releasing them, so they can stage one last nuptial flight before marching off into the sunset.
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#595 Offline FloridaAnts - Posted May 14 2022 - 6:25 AM

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I am a bit new on formiculture, so excuse me if I am wrong, but I read in someone’s Dorymyrmex bureni journal that their colony produced tons of males and no workers throughout the summer-And still had a queen(And had 20 workers)

It seems unlikely though if you hadn’t had a production of males this big in the past… why would it happen now?
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#596 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted May 14 2022 - 8:15 AM

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I don't know about with Crematogaster, but some of my other colonies that have produced alates would alternate between primarily producing males and primarily producing females each year. The first year my Pheidole dentata produced alates they only had a few males and a couple dozen females, but the next year they swapped and made probably about a hundred males and a handful of females.
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#597 Offline SolenopsisKeeper- - Posted May 14 2022 - 1:15 PM

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I have a possible situation.

Now like Tennessee ants, I am not sure about Crematogaster but…

Recently my 3 (One alate)queen S invicta colony was doing well, and so I thought nothing to check on them once a week… until I did… the alate had shedded 3/4 wings and the tube was filled with male pupae, and some worker pupae. I thought the workers would kill the unmated queen, but no. They ate the brood, but I still watch food get wasted on infertile eggs. Maybe a unmated alate became a “dominant” queen, so the workers killed the queen? Maybe the queen is still alive, just not getting much care, and so, not producing many eggs. (Due to a dominant unmated alate)





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