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#1 Offline Foogoo - Posted January 24 2015 - 9:20 PM

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Is it a sign of overly humid or a fact of life? I've had a heat lamp on my colonies so they would always get condensation on the walls. It was a little annoying to not be able to see inside the nest but never been a problem. For some reason, the Crematogasters today started climbing all over with brood and drowning themselves in the drops on the walls. So there I was, scraping brood and dead ants off the nest walls. Thankfully only a few went on that field trip.


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#2 Offline dspdrew - Posted January 24 2015 - 9:26 PM

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If you heat the surface the condensation is forming on so it's warmer than the dew point inside the nest, the condensation will evaporate.



#3 Offline Foogoo - Posted January 24 2015 - 9:30 PM

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If you heat the surface the condensation is forming on so it's warmer than the air inside, it will evaporate.

 

It's been warmer lately so I'm going to see how leaving the lamp off for a few days goes...


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#4 Offline dspdrew - Posted January 24 2015 - 9:31 PM

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Actually I slightly changed my post, so re-read it haha. It's more accurate now.



#5 Offline drtrmiller - Posted January 24 2015 - 9:37 PM

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Condensation is a physical phenomena that occurs when moisture in the air condenses on a cooler surface. Smooth surfaces such as glass or acrylic are more prone to condensation.

 

As gaseous water molecules are buzzing around, they contact the cooler surface and quickly lose energy, converting from a gas to a liquid.  This happens over and over until larger and larger water droplets form.

 

If the environment on the inside of your formicarium is warm and moist, and the temperature in the room is cooler by even a few degrees, the water will condense on the inside glass/acrylic of the nest, and it will take a considerable amount of energy to convert it back into a gas.

 

The easiest way to prevent condensation is to minimize changes in temperature in the room where the ants are kept, or to gently heat the viewing side glass/acrylic of the formicarium so that moisture inside does not lose energy and convert from a gas to a liquid upon contacting the smooth surface.


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#6 Offline Etherwulf - Posted January 24 2015 - 11:37 PM

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Which explains why Terry was planning to use expensive heated glass for his Found formicarium amongst other things. For me, I don't have said problem because of the tropical climate here. However, to deal with the problem, either heat the glass/acrylic or keep the room temperature constant.

 

Or you can try a water pump setup (credit:Terry) which pumps air into a water reservoir, ventilating the formicarium while maintaining the humidity level. That said, condensation does form on the exit/opening so a dry pump might needed. I've tried prototypes with small PC fans as a way of ventilating the nest but the setup has yet to be perfected.


 

#7 Offline Crystals - Posted January 25 2015 - 1:09 PM

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I use a heating cable under all my colonies, so I always have some condensation on the viewing glass.  I just water less, so that I only have a little condensation.  In my mind, if it is humid enough for any condensation to form, then I figure that it is humid enough for my ants.


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