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Lytle Creek, CA 05/28/18

liometopum sp

Best Answer dspdrew , June 14 2018 - 5:37 PM

I agree with Tapinoma sessile and Liometopum occidentale. I don't think you're going to find L. luctuosum there; they live where there are pines.

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#1 Offline Scrixx - Posted May 30 2018 - 12:32 PM

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Went out and found a Formica francoeuri flight. I sounded the alarm and Drew and Spazz were about to grab some. While I was there, I found these smaller queens and caught about 12 of them. 

 

#1

1. Location of collection: Lytle Creek, CA. Cleghorn rd.

2. Date of collection: 05/28/18
3. Habitat of collection: Creek along a dry mountainous area. 
4. Length: 6mm

5. Coloration, hue, pattern and texture: Straight black with a black shiny grey abdomen. It has a shine to it but the abdomen isn't as shiny as Dorymyrmex insanus that I found in the desert. 
6. Distinguishing characteristics: Smooth everything. The abdomen is similar to Dorymyrmex in terms of segmentation. It is fairly flat. This thing would just not stop moving and it barely drank the sugar water. I couldn't get a good measurement or side photo. 
7. Anything else distinctive: The entire ant reminds me of Pheidole. Flat thorax and even the head shape resembles Pheidole
8. Nest description: N/A

9. Nuptial flight time and date: 1130-1530
10. Pictures: 

 

 

 

 

 

#2 is some type of Liometopum

1. Location of collection: Lytle Creek, CA.

2. Date of collection: 05/29/18
3. Habitat of collection: Creek in a canyon
4. Length: 12mm

5. Coloration, hue, pattern and texture: Straight black with a black shiny grey abdomen. The abdomen is incredibly shiny similar to Formica.
6. Distinguishing characteristics: Smooth everything. Possible small short hairs on abdomen but it is hard to tell. It is fairly flat, especially the thorax. 
7. Anything else distinctive: Very wide head.
8. Nest description: N/A

9. Nuptial flight time and date: 2030-2230
10. Pictures: 


Edited by Scrixx, June 14 2018 - 12:20 PM.

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Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

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#2 Offline LC3 - Posted May 30 2018 - 5:47 PM

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I think those are both LiometopumL. occidentale and L.luctuosum.



#3 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted May 30 2018 - 5:53 PM

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1st is Tapinoma sessile. I'm not too familiar with Liometopum.


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#4 Offline Scrixx - Posted May 30 2018 - 6:35 PM

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I think those are both LiometopumL. occidentale and L.luctuosum.

 

The first ant is 5mm~, seems like a huge size difference. I can't find a lot of information on L. luctuosum either. We might have to wait for workers or just assume it's L. occidentale

 

1st is Tapinoma sessile. I'm not too familiar with Liometopum.

 

It does look like Tapinoma. Not quite sold on the species though of Tapinoma sessile but you might be right. 


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Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

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#5 Offline LC3 - Posted May 30 2018 - 9:47 PM

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First queen's ID was a guess on my part.

 

I'm pretty confident the second queen is L.occidentale though, it's the only species present in California besides L.luctuosum, and the description matches.

 

http://www.formicult...x.php/topic/45-

Drew's ID ^


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#6 Offline Scrixx - Posted June 14 2018 - 12:14 PM

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More photos of queen 1 and it is 6mm: 


Edited by Scrixx, June 14 2018 - 12:20 PM.

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Keeping: Camponotus sansabeanus - C. vicinus - Formica francoeuri - Liometopum occidentale -  Pogonomyrmex californicus - P. rugosus - P. subnitidus - Solenopsis molesta - S. xyloni - Tapinoma sessile - Temnothorax sp.

Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

Discontinued: Pogonomyrmex subnitidus


#7 Offline dspdrew - Posted June 14 2018 - 5:37 PM   Best Answer

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I agree with Tapinoma sessile and Liometopum occidentale. I don't think you're going to find L. luctuosum there; they live where there are pines.


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