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#1 Offline Scrixx - Posted September 6 2017 - 11:49 AM

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Okay so I'm still pretty new to the hobby, only started a few months ago. I'm learning a lot. It looks like there's still way more to learn. Well one of those things is that local household ants find captive ants quite tasty. I lost all of my ants with out-worlds except for two. I believe the attacking ants are Argentine ants because they die very quickly when exposed to water. As far as I know Solenopsis invicta would have at least floated or survived for at least 10 minutes.

 

 

I keep my ants in a two drawer setup. The top rack has my test tubes while the bottom rack has ants in out-worlds. The out-worlds are containers with small punched holes with a classic test tube setup inside them. Turns out the small punched holes were big enough for the invading ants to get in. Also some of my ants ran out of water so I connected them to another test tube with tape. I left a gap in the tape for air but the attacking ants also slipped in that small gap.

 

What I learned: Don't leave open gaps and holes in your containers. Plug them up with cotton.

 

Losses:

3x Myrmecocystus mexicanus

3x Pogonomyrmex

10+ aggregate smaller species.

 

 

First picture shows the attacking ants crawling through the small holes in the lid. I think next time I can cover those with pieces of cotton to prevent anything from coming in while still allowing air to pass through. I lost two Pogonomyrmex subnitidus this way.

 

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Next up is a photo of my surviving Pogonomyrmex rugosus. She survived the attack despite her brood being taken and her workers killed. She might've been to big for the few dozen attacking ants that managed to slip in to handle. This is an altoids container that didn't close all the way. Maybe the colony would have survived if it was closed fully. Right now she's in a new test tube setup and hoping she can start again.

 

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Lastly is something most people don't want to see. The loss of three Myrmecocystus mexicanus. That's right they took away three honeypot ants which had several cocoons. I also lost 2x Dorymyrmex insanus, 2x Pheidole xerophila, 2x Forelius sp.. So these queens were in a classic test tube but were running out of water so I attached them to another test tube with tape. I believe the solution for this is to put cotton in the gaps.

 

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You can see the corpse of the Myrmecocystus mexicanus here.

 

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Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

Discontinued: Pogonomyrmex subnitidus


#2 Offline ultraex2 - Posted September 6 2017 - 11:57 AM

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Dang, that really sucks... 



#3 Offline T.C. - Posted September 6 2017 - 11:57 AM

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This is depressing. :*( It got real emotional when I seen the Myrmecocystus mexicanus got killed as well. We shall rebel against these argentines!  :ugone2far: 


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#4 Offline Spamdy - Posted September 6 2017 - 12:02 PM

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This is depressing. :*( It got real emotional when I seen the Myrmecocystus mexicanus got killed as well. We shall rebel against these argentines!  :ugone2far:

Easier said than done.


All my colonies are dead. 

 

 Except:

  

  Pogonomyrmex barbatus

  Pheidole obscurithorax

  Pheidole morens


#5 Offline Scrixx - Posted September 6 2017 - 12:31 PM

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Whoa okay so after I cleaned up the massive trail of Argentine ants I started to clean the containers. I opened one up and look what I found. I rescued her and put her in a test tube. Hoping she can start again.

 

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Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

Discontinued: Pogonomyrmex subnitidus


#6 Offline AntsMaryland - Posted September 6 2017 - 2:30 PM

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Good luck!


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#7 Offline AntPhycho - Posted September 6 2017 - 3:27 PM

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OMG , I am really sorry about your ants man, especially sad when I heard the honey pot queens died, jeez I have been looking months upon months for one of those queens, here you had three and lost them all!
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#8 Offline lucas3431 - Posted September 7 2017 - 10:41 AM

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The problem now is, your wild neighbors know where to find a source of food so they will return or maybe they haven't even left yet. Get the vinegar out. 



#9 Offline Serafine - Posted September 7 2017 - 3:02 PM

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Did anyone try to keep his ant containers or the (feet of the) entire shelf in a moat of talcum? Argentines should not be able to cross that.


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#10 Offline Scrixx - Posted September 7 2017 - 8:12 PM

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Good luck!

 

Sadly only the Pogonomyrmex rugosus survived. Maybe because she was so huge. 


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Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

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#11 Offline Scrixx - Posted September 7 2017 - 8:14 PM

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The problem now is, your wild neighbors know where to find a source of food so they will return or maybe they haven't even left yet. Get the vinegar out. 

 

Indeed, there are still ants roaming the area despite cleaning it and blocking off their last entrances.

 

Did anyone try to keep his ant containers or the (feet of the) entire shelf in a moat of talcum? Argentines should not be able to cross that.

 

I will try that next time. Wouldn't they just walk on it though?  It's not like they're climbing vertically for the particles to slip them off.


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Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

Discontinued: Pogonomyrmex subnitidus


#12 Offline ultraex2 - Posted September 8 2017 - 6:15 AM

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If you put the ants in a larger bin with diatamaceous earth or water that should help.  I think something similar happened to drew and he created tables that were invasive-ant proof.


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#13 Offline chatogaster - Posted September 8 2017 - 6:42 AM

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#14 Offline Loops117 - Posted September 8 2017 - 7:21 AM

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Wow, I'm sorry for your losses. I've heard of the argentine attacks, and they suck. I myself have had some C.pennsylvanicus tunnel into some outworlds in the past, and still finding some trying to make there way in. When i find one or two trying to break into my large colonies, i let them in and trap them. I don't give them a chance to make the trail back, and i let them meet the girls they're spying on. It never ends well for them.

 

Also, this is why i make my setups just as hard to get in, as they are to get out of.


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#15 Offline XZero38 - Posted September 8 2017 - 8:28 AM

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Wow, I'm sorry for your losses. I've heard of the argentine attacks, and they suck. I myself have had some C.pennsylvanicus tunnel into some outworlds in the past, and still finding some trying to make there way in. When i find one or two trying to break into my large colonies, i let them in and trap them. I don't give them a chance to make the trail back, and i let them meet the girls they're spying on. It never ends well for them.

 

Also, this is why i make my setups just as hard to get in, as they are to get out of.

i do the exact same thing. They get to have a nice face to face with the ladies they are watching



#16 Offline Scrixx - Posted September 8 2017 - 3:19 PM

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If you put the ants in a larger bin with diatamaceous earth or water that should help.  I think something similar happened to drew and he created tables that were invasive-ant proof.

 

Yeah I'll have to figure something out then. Totally forgot about DE, I have some. Will try a layer of that if I end up making a moat.

 

 

Wow, I'm sorry for your losses. I've heard of the argentine attacks, and they suck. I myself have had some C.pennsylvanicus tunnel into some outworlds in the past, and still finding some trying to make there way in. When i find one or two trying to break into my large colonies, i let them in and trap them. I don't give them a chance to make the trail back, and i let them meet the girls they're spying on. It never ends well for them.

 

Also, this is why i make my setups just as hard to get in, as they are to get out of.

 

Yeah I gotta make a dedicated shelf for these guys and ant proof it with a moat or something.


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Keeping: Camponotus sansabeanus - C. vicinus - Formica francoeuri - Liometopum occidentale -  Pogonomyrmex californicus - P. rugosus - P. subnitidus - Solenopsis molesta - S. xyloni - Tapinoma sessile - Temnothorax sp.

Journals: Camponotus sansabeanus & C. vicinus | Pogonomyrmex californicus & P. rugosus | Solenopsis molesta & S. xyloni

Discontinued: Pogonomyrmex subnitidus


#17 Offline T.C. - Posted September 8 2017 - 3:45 PM

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If you put the ants in a larger bin with diatamaceous earth or water that should help.  I think something similar happened to drew and he created tables that were invasive-ant proof.

 
Yeah I'll have to figure something out then. Totally forgot about DE, I have some. Will try a layer of that if I end up making a moat.
 
 

Wow, I'm sorry for your losses. I've heard of the argentine attacks, and they suck. I myself have had some C.pennsylvanicus tunnel into some outworlds in the past, and still finding some trying to make there way in. When i find one or two trying to break into my large colonies, i let them in and trap them. I don't give them a chance to make the trail back, and i let them meet the girls they're spying on. It never ends well for them.
 
Also, this is why i make my setups just as hard to get in, as they are to get out of.

 
Yeah I gotta make a dedicated shelf for these guys and ant proof it with a moat or something.

If it was me, I would do like a hanging shelf from the ceiling. It would be easy to do i'd think.
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#18 Offline AntPhycho - Posted September 8 2017 - 8:15 PM

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Time to put the ants in vault 111, they just need to wait for the all clear.
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DOWN WITH THE ARGENTINES! To be honest, i don't really like Dolichoderines because the 2 most common ones in the US are major pests amd escape artists...

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