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Why are all the ants Red and Black?


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#1 Offline BrittonLS - Posted August 8 2015 - 8:23 PM

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Or Black and Red? (Brown technically most of the time)

 

Seriously, it makes it hard to tell the difference for a lot of them too! There's Camponotus sayi, Solenopsis invicta, Dorymyrmex bicolor, Pogonomyrmex bicolor!?! On and on. What's up with this color scheme?

 

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#2 Offline LC3 - Posted August 8 2015 - 9:09 PM

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  :thinking: 

Good question.They all seem to lean in the red spectrum like yellow,orange,red,brown even black if darkened enough I guess its red is just more easier to come by in nature lot's of things are red in nature like lobsters, flowers, birds etc.



#3 Offline dspdrew - Posted August 8 2015 - 10:01 PM

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We need more blue and green ants.


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#4 Offline AntsAreUs - Posted August 8 2015 - 10:08 PM

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I don't know if you consider this to be blueish at all?

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#5 Offline stuhrike - Posted August 8 2015 - 11:24 PM

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Well, if it makes you feel better, M. Mexicanus/Navajo are yellow :P



#6 Offline Gregory2455 - Posted August 8 2015 - 11:40 PM

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Or Black and Red? (Brown technically most of the time)

 

Seriously, it makes it hard to tell the difference for a lot of them too! There's Camponotus sayi, Solenopsis invicta, Dorymyrmex bicolor, Pogonomyrmex bicolor!?! On and on. What's up with this color scheme?

 

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All these pictures are from http://www.alexanderwild.com/Antsif you couldn't tell

Top left is Dorymyrmex bicolor, top right is Crematogaster sp, bottom left is Pogonomyrmex californicus and bottom right is Odontomachus cf. clarus. How did I do?



#7 Offline nurbs - Posted August 9 2015 - 12:54 AM

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Or Black and Red? (Brown technically most of the time)

 

Seriously, it makes it hard to tell the difference for a lot of them too! There's Camponotus sayi, Solenopsis invicta, Dorymyrmex bicolor, Pogonomyrmex bicolor!?! On and on. What's up with this color scheme?

 

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All these pictures are from http://www.alexanderwild.com/Antsif you couldn't tell

Top left is Dorymyrmex bicolor, top right is Crematogaster sp, bottom left is Pogonomyrmex californicus and bottom right is Odontomachus cf. clarus. How did I do?

 

 

Are those spines on the back of those Pogonomyrmex? If they are, it is not californicus. But you did good otherwise. Better than I could have.


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#8 Offline nurbs - Posted August 9 2015 - 12:57 AM

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We need more blue and green ants.

 

Feed them byformica  :lol:

 

On my salsa beans the blue turns green because their gastors are kinda orangey yellow.


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#9 Offline Crystals - Posted August 9 2015 - 7:09 AM

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There are a number of yellow and brown species out there, but most are black, red, or a combination of both.

 

Black for camouflage or the ability to heat up in sun on cool mornings?

Red for "I don't taste good, don't eat me"?  Where I am (Alberta) most ants with any red on them are quite aggressive.  Almost all of our ants are solid black (and can be seen on their mounds early in the morning soaking up the sun and heat).


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#10 Offline BrittonLS - Posted August 9 2015 - 9:57 AM

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Greg, P. bicolor, but otherwise spot on lol.

Lobsters aren't red until you cook them!

Hmm the answer probably depend partially on how they color themselves, whether it's a pigment or the way their skeleton refracs light or something else.

The weirdest part is how often it is red with a black gaster, although there are some with red heads and black everything else.

There really isn't a blue pigment created by animals. Things that are green or blue like birds, lizards, butterflies actually have a microstructure to their respective parts that reflects blue light instead of absorbing it.

Crystal, yeah, it's common enough that you'd think there must be a reason for so many to wind up that way. Formacinae have that coloration too though and they aren't nearly as aggressive, unless they're mimicking other red and black ants.

#11 Offline William. T - Posted August 9 2015 - 10:11 AM

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Red in nature stands for poison or any other chemical danger, and it isn't exactly camo. Think Lionfish, poison dart frog, all those fuzzy bright red caterpillars you see. I suppose the reason fire ants (Solenopis) are red is to advertise their formic acid. Also, who wants to be stung by a Pogonomyrmex? Camponotus and Formica have acid too, and so do Pheidole and Crematogaster. Trap Jaw ants also have some sort of juice, too. Maybe it's sorta of a warning to predators?


Edited by William. T, August 9 2015 - 10:15 AM.

Species I keep:

 

1 Lasius cf. Neoniger 30 workers

1 Camponotus sp. 15 workers

20 Tetramorium SpE 30 workers

1 T. Sessile 200 workers

 


#12 Offline AntsTexas - Posted August 9 2015 - 1:51 PM

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glow in the dark ants, that would be pretty cool to see :)


Edited by AntsTexas, August 9 2015 - 4:06 PM.

Ant Queens found:

 

Solenopsis Invicta,  Solenopsis xyloni,  Brachymyrmex depilis/Sp,  Myrmecocystus Mimicus,  Pogonomyrmex barbatus,

Forelius pruinosus,  Camponotus sayi, Dorymyrmex insanus, crematogaster ashmeadi,

 

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camponotus sayi, solenopsis invicta, Myrmecocystus Mimicus, Forelius pruinosus

Pogonomyrmex barbatus, and some others (no i.d.)

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#13 Offline Jonathan21700 - Posted August 9 2015 - 2:07 PM

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We need more blue and green ants.

Check out these beautiful Australian Calomyrmex ants.

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#14 Offline William. T - Posted August 9 2015 - 2:47 PM

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To own one of those colones.....

 

 

We need more blue and green ants.

Check out these beautiful Australian Calomyrmex ants.

7368295134_7844147622_z.jpgHSF_11_3_image_01_full.jpg

First photo by Farhan Bokhari https://www.flickr.c...otos/myrmician/ Second photo by H Gibb http://www.hermonsla...3/hsf_11_3.html

 


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Species I keep:

 

1 Lasius cf. Neoniger 30 workers

1 Camponotus sp. 15 workers

20 Tetramorium SpE 30 workers

1 T. Sessile 200 workers

 


#15 Offline LC3 - Posted August 9 2015 - 3:28 PM

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Why does everything cool have to be in Australia. :P



#16 Offline BrittonLS - Posted August 10 2015 - 9:54 AM

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It's because they're all criminals, they stole all the good stuff probably.

#17 Offline Zeiss - Posted August 11 2015 - 3:28 AM

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How is this Cataglyphis bombycina?


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#18 Offline Jonathan21700 - Posted August 11 2015 - 11:38 AM

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This is a Polyrhachis sp. Amazing ants!


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#19 Offline Trailandstreet - Posted August 19 2015 - 6:22 AM

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I guess, the more of pigment the cuticula has, the darker it is. If there'ss less pigment, the ant looks yellow.

The other ants that look silver, blue or green is a matter of reflection like the colors of a butterflies wing.


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#20 Offline Jonathan21700 - Posted August 19 2015 - 11:13 AM

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Here's another really interesting ant. Echinopla melanarctos.

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