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Temnothorax sp.?

Started By frostymayfly , Feb 27 2022 2:13 AM
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#1 Offline frostymayfly - Posted February 27 2022 - 2:13 AM

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Any ideas on species? Very tiny workers

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#2 Offline frostymayfly - Posted February 27 2022 - 2:40 AM

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Found in Maryland.

#3 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted February 27 2022 - 6:09 AM

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I think these are Temnothorax ambiguus or Temnothorax curvispinosus.


Edited by ColAnt735, February 27 2022 - 9:11 AM.

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#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted February 27 2022 - 8:08 AM

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Certainly Temnothorax of some kind.

Perhaps T. illegalensis?

I cannot claim to know much of Eastern Temnothorax, so I can't distinguish between ambiguus and curvispinosus without looking thru the key.

Edit: I'm leaning towards curvispinosus because of those spots the workers appear to have on their gasters, ambiguus are not supposed to have those.


Edited by NickAnter, February 27 2022 - 8:12 AM.

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#5 Offline OiledOlives - Posted February 27 2022 - 8:33 AM

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.


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#6 Offline ANTdrew - Posted February 27 2022 - 12:12 PM

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.

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#7 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted February 27 2022 - 1:06 PM

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We need better pictures in order to find the exact species maybe if you took a picture from the side we could see the length of the propodial spines. For now I think we can safely say its either Temnothorax curvispinosus or Temnothorax ambiguus.


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#8 Offline Manitobant - Posted February 27 2022 - 3:51 PM

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.

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#9 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted February 27 2022 - 4:29 PM

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Agreed
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#10 Offline OiledOlives - Posted February 28 2022 - 8:58 AM

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.

How do you kids learn all this stuff??

 

Bored in school.


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#11 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted February 28 2022 - 9:24 AM

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.

How do you kids learn all this stuff??

 

Bored in school.

 

For me its a mixture of being bored at school like OiledOlives and staying up until 4 am researching ants while staring at a small screen.


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#12 Offline frostymayfly - Posted February 28 2022 - 1:24 PM

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Thanks for all the replies. I'm not sure if I can get any better pictures of these guys from the side but I'll try.
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#13 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted March 1 2022 - 9:03 AM

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Thanks for all the replies. I'm not sure if I can get any better pictures of these guys from the side but I'll try.

Its fine if you can't but we just won't be able to verify the exact species.


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#14 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted March 6 2022 - 12:40 PM

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Pretty sure their care is the exact same, so if you can't get picture of the spines I wouldn't worry about it too much.


#15 Offline azzaaazzzz00 - Posted March 6 2022 - 4:02 PM

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.

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Edited by azzaaazzzz00, March 6 2022 - 4:02 PM.

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#16 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted March 7 2022 - 5:40 AM

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.

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Basicly sums up half the population on earth

 

Agreed.


"If an ant carries an object a hundred times it's weight,you can carry burdens many times your size.

#17 Offline James C. Trager - Posted March 7 2022 - 9:22 AM

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The dark band on the gaster of workers hints at T. curvispinosus. T. ambiguus tends to be all orangey with no black or dark brown on the gaster. There is also a tendency for habitat differentiation, with T. curvispinosus in woods, and T. ambiguus in fields.
Note; Queens of both species have darker gasters, so other characteristics needed to ID.

 


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#18 Offline Manitobant - Posted March 7 2022 - 6:36 PM

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The dark band on the gaster of workers hints at T. curvispinosus. T. ambiguus tends to be all orangey with no black or dark brown on the gaster. There is also a tendency for habitat differentiation, with T. curvispinosus in woods, and T. ambiguus in fields.
Note; Queens of both species have darker gasters, so other characteristics needed to ID.

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General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

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The best way to differentiate between T. curvipsinosus and T. ambiguus is by the length of the propodeal spines on the workers. T. curvispinosus have much longer spines compared to the smaller spines of T. ambiguus.

How do you kids learn all this stuff??

 

Antwiki is a great source. 

 

 

I'm also going to say T. curvispinosus.


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