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#41 Online mmcguffi - Posted December 5 2020 - 4:09 PM

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Neat! I'm not 100% sure if I understand to be honest though lol -- why doesn't just a single tube work, such as something like this: https://antessential...eptentrionalis/

 

wouldn't the plaster vent the air itself? Or am I just missing something very obvious lol  %)


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#42 Offline Devi - Posted December 5 2020 - 4:14 PM

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That kind of looks like a nestmate to me actually...  That is an interesting formicarium.  There were some failed attempts before we realized this was necessary.  Think of it as a straw stuck in like, I don't know, something where there is no air flow at the bottom.  There is always air in the straw because it is exposed to air on the outside.  If you tried to put water in that straw, you wouldn't be able to, because there is already air in it and no way for the air to move.  The water would just spray everywhere.  By having another tube, it allows the trapped air to move out there, and the water takes it's place.  Does that make sense?



#43 Offline DDD101DDD - Posted December 5 2020 - 4:24 PM

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That kind of looks like a nestmate to me actually...  That is an interesting formicarium.  There were some failed attempts before we realized this was necessary.  Think of it as a straw stuck in like, I don't know, something where there is no air flow at the bottom.  There is always air in the straw because it is exposed to air on the outside.  If you tried to put water in that straw, you wouldn't be able to, because there is already air in it and no way for the air to move.  The water would just spray everywhere.  By having another tube, it allows the trapped air to move out there, and the water takes it's place.  Does that make sense?

That setup is for fungus growers so it'll be different. I think the reason it works is because there's no little chamber at the end, the water slowly goes from the tube to the material used.


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#44 Offline Devi - Posted December 5 2020 - 4:25 PM

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That kind of looks like a nestmate to me actually...  That is an interesting formicarium.  There were some failed attempts before we realized this was necessary.  Think of it as a straw stuck in like, I don't know, something where there is no air flow at the bottom.  There is always air in the straw because it is exposed to air on the outside.  If you tried to put water in that straw, you wouldn't be able to, because there is already air in it and no way for the air to move.  The water would just spray everywhere.  By having another tube, it allows the trapped air to move out there, and the water takes it's place.  Does that make sense?

That setup is for fungus growers so it'll be different. I think the reason it works is because there's no little chamber at the end, the water slowly goes from the tube to the material used.

 

Ah, I see what you mean.  I was wondering about that, thanks!



#45 Online mmcguffi - Posted December 5 2020 - 5:02 PM

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Ah, I see! I didn't notice the air gap in the plaster. I think you could maybe simplify these by removing the air gap and just having one tube? Maybe I'm totally off base, I think founding formicariums are pretty similar to fungus growing setups (eg Drew sells his fungus-grower setups as "founding formicaria")



#46 Offline ANTdrew - Posted December 5 2020 - 5:19 PM

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Huh. That's actually not a bad idea. Would that stay together though? I feel like it would fall down and not work very well. Clay is most certainly an idea...

Definitely do clay. A dremel is totally unnecessary for that design using hydrostone.
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#47 Offline NickAnter - Posted December 5 2020 - 5:51 PM

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Sand would be easier than clay. That way you arent trying to scrape it out; you can simply use a relatively high pressure water stream to flush all the sand out.


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#48 Offline DDD101DDD - Posted December 5 2020 - 7:30 PM

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Sand would be easier than clay. That way you arent trying to scrape it out; you can simply use a relatively high pressure water stream to flush all the sand out.

I used sculpting clay to make a mold in my nest and it came out somewhat easily.


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#49 Offline Spazmops - Posted December 5 2020 - 8:06 PM

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Ah, I see! I didn't notice the air gap in the plaster. I think you could maybe simplify these by removing the air gap and just having one tube? Maybe I'm totally off base, I think founding formicariums are pretty similar to fungus growing setups (eg Drew sells his fungus-grower setups as "founding formicaria")

The issue with that is that the needle forms an airtight seal when it's inserted into the tubing, meaning that air can't escape. My first prototype was exactly what you're describing, and it just sprayed water back out the wrong end of the tube. I actually like this design more though, because you can ensure that there's always water at the very top of the hydrostone. Plus, it doesn't make it any different to use, it's just more complicated to make.


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#51 Offline DDD101DDD - Posted December 5 2020 - 8:35 PM

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Do you think having a proper humidity gradient could be an issue? I feel like the hydrostone would get fairly wet if it was filled all the way and the container isn't very big.
 


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#52 Offline MountainMyrmeculture - Posted December 5 2020 - 8:48 PM

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Do you think having a proper humidity gradient could be an issue? I feel like the hydrostone would get fairly wet if it was filled all the way and the container isn't very big.
 

It would likely depend on the species. But you can adjust the overall humidity level by adding more or less water, and the hydrostone doesn't even get as damp as Tarheel Ant's type 3 material.


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#53 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted December 11 2020 - 7:13 AM

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Huh. That's actually not a bad idea. Would that stay together though? I feel like it would fall down and not work very well. Clay is most certainly an idea...

Definitely do clay. A dremel is totally unnecessary for that design using hydrostone.

 

clay can get stuck on the outside of the formicarium, and then the materials will not come out.


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#54 Offline Devi - Posted December 11 2020 - 7:24 AM

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Huh. That's actually not a bad idea. Would that stay together though? I feel like it would fall down and not work very well. Clay is most certainly an idea...

Definitely do clay. A dremel is totally unnecessary for that design using hydrostone.

 

clay can get stuck on the outside of the formicarium, and then the materials will not come out.

 

I was going to say, I've seen people have trouble with clay just because it stuck to the side...  Thanks everyone for sharing what worked for them, and what didn't.  I will be sure to try some different things out and let you know how they go!


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#55 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted December 11 2020 - 8:21 AM

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Huh. That's actually not a bad idea. Would that stay together though? I feel like it would fall down and not work very well. Clay is most certainly an idea...

Definitely do clay. A dremel is totally unnecessary for that design using hydrostone.

 

clay can get stuck on the outside of the formicarium, and then the materials will not come out.

 

I was going to say, I've seen people have trouble with clay just because it stuck to the side...  Thanks everyone for sharing what worked for them, and what didn't.  I will be sure to try some different things out and let you know how they go!

 

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#56 Offline ANTdrew - Posted December 11 2020 - 8:39 AM

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Have a container you can actually break or scuff up as your mold, then put the finished cast into a brand new container to finish the build.


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#57 Offline Devi - Posted January 10 2021 - 5:45 PM

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#58 Offline KitsAntVa - Posted January 11 2021 - 7:38 AM

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I may buy some of those vials for my queens in shop for next year, they seem like a great way to raise any ant in my opinion. How much would they be if I bought around ten.


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#59 Offline KitsAntVa - Posted January 11 2021 - 7:40 AM

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nvm i found the price


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#60 Offline FSTP - Posted January 11 2021 - 7:47 AM

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Is the secondary vent tube for the hydration just open to the vial inside so humidity can get into the living space?


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