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[Antkeeper01]

does Drew know about this?

[Kaelwizard]

does Drew know about this?

THIS IS NOT A US ONLY FORUM! People from other countries can sell on here!

Edited by Kaelwizard, October 6 2020 - 1:50 PM.

[Antkeeper01]

so they are selling out of their country and that is illegal.

[Kaelwizard]

so they are selling out of their country and that is illegal.

If they ship to you yes. But technically by buying off their site you are buying illegally. Pogonomyrmex occidentalis can be sold from there, but other species can’t.

 

Bottom line is, you didn't check what the laws were about shipping ants across state borders and into the country. If they don't ship, it's fine, but if they do it is illegal, however the species is native at least. So I doubt there would be many consequences.

Edited by Kaelwizard, October 6 2020 - 1:52 PM.

[Antkeeper01]

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Edited by Antkeeper01, October 6 2020 - 1:19 PM.

[ANTdrew]

Plot twist!

[KitsAntVa]

I did this once when i had just started and tryed to get some ants 2 times from canada ant colony and each time it didn't come so the second time they said they don't ship to the us so you wouldn't have got them anyway.

[TechAnt]

This is confusing, so your saying that I should cancel order, even though if you go to Formiculture home page and look at the market place below the termite sub forum right below the ByFormica market place it is there; on the Formiculture home page.

This is the link https://www.formicul...-ant-colonycom/

Yeah, that's only for Canadians though..

[Antkeeper01]

ohh

[TechAnt]

ohh

Yeah uh, the Marketplace rules for the U.S. are that you can only buy from other sellers in your state, and you need your location of your member profile. I can summarize this in three words: oops..this happened.

[KitsAntVa]

I plan on getting a permit one day so i can buy from ferox and nurbs.so then i can get ants in state, but i would never release them

[Antkeeper01]

I wish I could get a permit too but, every package is $55 and the permit is $100 every year and I don't have much money so it's probably not going to happen in the near future.

[KitsAntVa]

I’m not gonna get a permit soon to anyway maybe when I get a job and I have some spare money to set aside for it.

[Antkeeper01]

for me that's years and years away.

[ANTdrew]

This is confusing, so your saying that I should cancel order, even though if you go to Formiculture home page and look at the market place below the termite sub forum right below the ByFormica market place it is there; on the Formiculture home page.

This is the link https://www.formicul...-ant-colonycom/

The vendor name is kind of a clue here.

[Devi]

does Drew know about this?

Of course.  Drew knows all.  

[Antkeeper01]

Drew The All-knowing.

[AntsDakota]

I wish I could get a permit too but, every package is $55 and the permit is $100 every year and I don't have much money so it's probably not going to happen in the near future.

The USDA page says nothing about any fees.

[Antkeeper01]

The following applies to traders residing in the United States:

To commercially* import or export wildlife specimens across the U.S.A. national border you must get a permit from the US Fish and Wildlife agency. This license will cost you $100.00 annually. To apply for this permit you must obtain the 'Federal Fish and Wildlife License/Permit Application Form' (OMB No. 1018-0022). But that's not all...

Once you have the license you must declare the contents of each package that comes in or goes out using the 'Declaration for Importation or Exportation of Fish or Wildlife' form (USFWS Form 3-177). Each package declaration will cost you $55.00 to cover inspection costs. Depending on circumstances, for incoming packages, your local USFWS may want to inspect the package BEFORE you open it. So, don't open it until you check with them. They may want you to bring it unopened into their office for inspection. Ask your supplier to mail you a commercial invoice ahead of the package so that you can complete your declaration form ahead of time and mail it to the USFWS before the package arrives. Leave the 'Date of Import' field blank, since you will not know the exact date the package will arrive. A similar process is required when you are shipping a package out of the United States.

But before you place an order with a suppliers outside the USA, contact your local USFWS office (see link at bottom of this page for directory of offices by state) and ask them what paperwork may be required from THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. This is very important because there are some countries that you cannot import from legally, such as India. It depends on the agreements between the two countries.

Remember, you have to pay a flat fee of $55.00 per shipment, no matter how large or small your shipment is. Therefore the larger your order the more you will save per specimen on these inspection fees, whether you are importing or exporting.

You can download Form 3-177 from the USFWS web site:

http://www.fws.gov/

However, the annual Import/Export license is not available to download - you have to get one mailed to you. When you request it, ask for the whole kit. They will send you a large packet of information, including official regulations, lists of protected species in the U.S.A., a C.I.T.E.S. list, and more. While you're at it, ask them for a 'Credit Card Authorization Form' so you can pay your fees more easily.

Bottom line: If you are serious about importing or exporting insect specimens commercially and legally you must get in touch with your local USFWS office and get yourself set up with them. If you get set up with the proper protocol you will be ahead of the game, since a lot of traders are ignoring these laws and will eventually get caught.

To import/export live insect specimens across the U.S.A. national border, all of the above applies plus you must comply with USDA regulations as well. Contact the USDA for that information.

[DDD101DDD]

I think the fee is for importing/exporting internationally, not in country.