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Interesting Camponotus novaeboracensis queen

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#1 Offline rbarreto - Posted June 28 2019 - 1:23 PM

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I found this queen in Kingston about 2 weeks ago. She is the only specimen of this colouration I've ever seen. Her mesosoma is so dark you can barely make out the pattern. Below is a comparison of what all my other C. novaeboracensis queens look like. She has eggs so I'm excited to see if this trait carries over to the workers.

 

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Here is what all my other queens look like.

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#2 Offline ANTdrew - Posted June 28 2019 - 1:56 PM

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#3 Offline rbarreto - Posted June 29 2019 - 12:30 AM

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If only it were that easy :D

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#4 Offline Canadant - Posted July 19 2019 - 3:20 AM

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Bummer. can't access pics. I found a novaeboracensis queen 2 weeks ago. She was so dark it was hard to distinguish her from Pennsylvanicus.
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#5 Offline rbarreto - Posted July 19 2019 - 6:02 AM

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Bummer. can't access pics. I found a novaeboracensis queen 2 weeks ago. She was so dark it was hard to distinguish her from Pennsylvanicus.


Can you post pics?

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#6 Offline Canadant - Posted July 21 2019 - 6:35 AM

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I let her go. Sorry.
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#7 Offline rbarreto - Posted July 23 2019 - 1:38 PM

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Little update:

It seems the darker colour has passed on to the workers. They are almost pitch black.

 

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#8 Offline rbarreto - Posted August 7 2019 - 7:09 PM

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This queen has a bunch more workers but they haven't gotten any lighter. I'm curious to see what majors will look like.

 

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#9 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted August 8 2019 - 4:03 AM

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I had one of these when I lived in Washington. I was told she was herculeanus, maybe yours is too?
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#10 Offline Lazarus - Posted August 8 2019 - 5:26 AM

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I had one of these when I lived in Washington. I was told she was herculeanus, maybe yours is too?

 

I think Ant_Dude2908 is right. The Novaeboracensis distinct lighter coloration on the thorax is something that should stick out like a sore thumb for days after they eclose. Sometimes so light it looks more beige than burgundy.

 

If it is Herculeanus, that's a better find IMHO ;)


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#11 Offline rbarreto - Posted August 8 2019 - 8:34 AM

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I had one of these when I lived in Washington. I was told she was herculeanus, maybe yours is too?

 

No I made sure to check the ID section on antwiki and she is definitely a novae queen

 

I think Ant_Dude2908 is right. The Novaeboracensis distinct lighter coloration on the thorax is something that should stick out like a sore thumb for days after they eclose. Sometimes so light it looks more beige than burgundy.

If it is Herculeanus, that's a better find IMHO ;)

 

If you look carefully at the first picture you can just barely see the coloration on her thorax. Its super dark for some reason.


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#12 Offline CheetoLord02 - Posted September 8 2019 - 7:14 PM

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This is very interesting, and I have noticed color variation in C. novaeboracensis myself. Queens collected in Rhinelander WI were very similar to your dark queen, where queens and workers collected in Adams WI had a fiery red thorax. Just another reason why you can't trust color for identification.


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#13 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted November 9 2019 - 11:55 AM

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This is very interesting, and I have noticed color variation in C. novaeboracensis myself. Queens collected in Rhinelander WI were very similar to your dark queen, where queens and workers collected in Adams WI had a fiery red thorax. Just another reason why you can't trust color for identification.

That's interesting; I saw a whole bunch of these queens near Lac Du Flambeau Wisconsin this July, and they were red and black, just like you'd expect. Only about 30 miles northwest of Rhinelander.


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#14 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted November 9 2019 - 11:57 AM

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If color doesn't work to identify Camponotus, what does? There is no key on AntWiki for US species.


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#15 Offline rbarreto - Posted November 9 2019 - 12:52 PM

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If color doesn't work to identify Camponotus, what does? There is no key on AntWiki for US species.


Just compare the identification sections on antwiki.
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#16 Offline Manitobant - Posted November 9 2019 - 3:49 PM

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Its camponotus herculeanus. I have many of these.
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#17 Offline AntJohnny - Posted November 9 2019 - 5:14 PM

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I actually caught a bunch of Camponotus this year. Alot were pennsylvanicus and about a dozen were novaeboracensis a few are really bright red but I have a couple like the first pic. A really dark shade of red. I didn't really think anything of it until just now after reading your post. I still have them but I put them into hibernation already and don't want to bother them. I really hope some are herculeanus. I don't remember what the workers looked like.
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