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Possibly Camponotus maccooki?

Started By TacticalHandleGaming , May 18 2024 11:16 AM

Best Answer ReignofRage , May 18 2024 - 8:55 PM

Camponotus maccooki is a Mexican species - type locale reported as "Mexico" by Forel (1879), then restricted to Guadalupe Island by Forel (1885). Antmaps, like usual, erroneously classified the taxon and records. The United States records of "C. maccooki" on Antmaps is in references to the outdated trinomial "Camponotus maculatus maccooki" and taxonomic work on Tanaemyrmex before R.S. Snelling cleared much of it. "Camponotus maculatus maccooki" is now the valid taxon C. semitestaceus. The valid taxon C. maccooki is from the outdated trinomial taxon "Camponotus sylvaticus macooki".

 

As for the gyne you collected, it looks nothing like Camponotus maccooki gynes in the slightest. The flattening of the scapes, to a much greater degree than C. maccooki, is the key indicatior of this being C. vicinus, in which it is.

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#1 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted May 18 2024 - 11:16 AM

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I caught this queen last Sunday 5/12/2024 during nuptial flights of Camponotus modoc. However, I immediately noticed her different coloration. Camponotus maccooki has been found here before. I've just never caught one in my three years of ant keeping. Looking for additional opinions on if I have the correct ID. She has already laid eggs, so workers will hopefully be an additional help on ID soon.

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Edited by TacticalHandleGaming, May 18 2024 - 11:55 AM.

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Currently kept species

L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

Previously kept species

T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

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Myrmecocystus pyramicus, Myrmecocystus testaceus

Pheidole creightoni, Pheidole inquilina, Crematogaster coarctata, Crematogaster mutans

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#2 Offline bmb1bee - Posted May 18 2024 - 1:04 PM

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Sounds tempting, but what brings you to the conclusion that this is C. maccooki rather than C. vicinus, or any other tanaemyrmex? Not saying that this is C. vicinus, but just wondering why it might be C. maccooki.


Edited by bmb1bee, May 18 2024 - 1:58 PM.

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#3 Offline GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted May 18 2024 - 1:07 PM

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Sounds tempting, but what brings you to the conclusion that this is C. maccooki rather than C. vicinus, or any other tanaemyrmex?



I agree this queen looks more C.vicinus

Edited by GOCAMPONOTUS, May 18 2024 - 1:07 PM.

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Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

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Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 

#4 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted May 18 2024 - 4:00 PM

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Sounds tempting, but what brings you to the conclusion that this is C. maccooki rather than C. vicinus, or any other tanaemyrmex? Not saying that this is C. vicinus, but just wondering why it might be C. maccooki.


I thought it might be C. vicinus. But she doesn't look like the one I have, and I've never found them where I live. C. maccooki was found where I live according to antmaps. Also when I compare her to the C. maccooki queen specimen on antweb she looks extremely similar. I don't claim to be an expert or anything.
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Currently kept species

L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

Previously kept species

T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

Looking for

Myrmecocystus pyramicus, Myrmecocystus testaceus

Pheidole creightoni, Pheidole inquilina, Crematogaster coarctata, Crematogaster mutans

My youtube channel.  My ant Etsy store - Millennium Ants

#5 Offline GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted May 18 2024 - 4:37 PM

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Camponotus vicinus have many different colorations

Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 

#6 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted May 18 2024 - 5:38 PM

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Camponotus vicinus have many different colorations


I've seen them jet black, and then more like the one I keep. I think I'll wait for workers and send one off to my local extension office for proper ID.

Edited by TacticalHandleGaming, May 18 2024 - 5:39 PM.

Currently kept species

L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

Previously kept species

T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

Looking for

Myrmecocystus pyramicus, Myrmecocystus testaceus

Pheidole creightoni, Pheidole inquilina, Crematogaster coarctata, Crematogaster mutans

My youtube channel.  My ant Etsy store - Millennium Ants

#7 Offline ReignofRage - Posted May 18 2024 - 8:55 PM   Best Answer

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Camponotus maccooki is a Mexican species - type locale reported as "Mexico" by Forel (1879), then restricted to Guadalupe Island by Forel (1885). Antmaps, like usual, erroneously classified the taxon and records. The United States records of "C. maccooki" on Antmaps is in references to the outdated trinomial "Camponotus maculatus maccooki" and taxonomic work on Tanaemyrmex before R.S. Snelling cleared much of it. "Camponotus maculatus maccooki" is now the valid taxon C. semitestaceus. The valid taxon C. maccooki is from the outdated trinomial taxon "Camponotus sylvaticus macooki".

 

As for the gyne you collected, it looks nothing like Camponotus maccooki gynes in the slightest. The flattening of the scapes, to a much greater degree than C. maccooki, is the key indicatior of this being C. vicinus, in which it is.


Edited by ReignofRage, May 18 2024 - 8:56 PM.

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