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Rainforest Ecosystem on my Plant Stand by RPT

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#1 Offline rptraut - Posted February 4 2024 - 2:25 AM

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Rainforest Ecosystem on my Plant Stand

 

​Welcome to our plant room and study where I grow my tropical plants and various other things.  It's pictured below.  On the top level of the plant stand to the right I keep some of my tropical bonsai trees as they overwinter.   They are various bonsai cultivars of Ficus benjamina  like wiandi and toolittle.  Some are over 30 years old.  On the other levels I grow violets, ferns, orchids and pitcher plants.  The plastic fronts keep the air humidity high from drainage trays filled with wet wood chips.   High humidity and the additional heat from the transformers (ballasts) of the plant lights provide the conditions for tropical plants to thrive in our dry home in winter.  

 

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Plants have been growing on this stand for over 30 years and a mini ecosystem has developed over that time.   At its' foundation are the wet wood chips in the drainage trays that provide humidity to the plants while they provide a home for springtails, pill bugs and other critters, plus there's a host of spiders with a network of webbing on the stand.  Flies, fruit flies, fungus gnats, moths and mosquitoes are all attracted to the lights.  They waste themselves flying against the lights and often fall into the chips when they die, providing a tasty treat for many of the springtails.  Pitcher plants are there to trap unwary wanderers as well.  

 

 

 

 

 

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One of the constant pest problems that I have with these fig trees are scale insects.  I've identified them as soft brown scale, Coccus hesperidium, (see above).  A large problem with them is the amount of honeydew that they produce.   Ants probably milk them, but they can just lick it from the leaves as scale insects eject honeydew and cause areas well away from them to be covered in it.  Sometimes it grows black mold.  Scale insects live on sap (like aphids) and are usually found on actively growing areas like new shoots and stems, but their honeydew can cover leaves, trunk, roots, even the side of a pot.  I usually spray them with a mix of water, Sunlight dish soap, rubbing alcohol and neem tree oil.  I put the trees in the shower, spray them and let them sit for a couple of hours, and then rinse them with a strong handheld shower.  I do this every year as part of their spring cleanup.  I never seem to totally get rid of the scale insects.  This year might be different.  I've let these trees go much longer than normal as I'd hoped to do some videotaping, but time delays and illness mean that hasn't happened and I must press ahead with some cleaning.  I'll try to preserve some of the scale insects, but the honeydew has to go.  

 

 

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Late last fall I noticed some ants around the fig trees but really didn't pay much attention.  After seeing them four of five times in a tree I noticed they had a travel route between there and an adjacent tree where they seemed to be living in the pot.  I gave them a couple of dead flies which were dragged under the pot and consumed.  They looked like Lasius americanus to me, they're a forest dwelling species.   I never took any pictures.  They haven't made an appearance since late in October, I can only assume they are in diapause despite being in a heated room and sitting on a warm transformer from the plant lights below.  I've cleaned loose soil from the surface and there is definite activity as they are opening access holes.  I'm posting this now to chronicle the development of this colony and I'll update when and if they make a grand appearance.   Rather than pull the tree out of the pot and have a look at the ants, I've learned I think from experience, that usually more harm than good comes from messing with things that ain't broke.  I'm going to be patient and keep my eyes open because I know my other small Lasius colonies are shy and secretive and send out few foragers.  Spring will soon be here, and they'll be active soon enough.

 

These trees haven't been outside in over a year.   They spent last summer under the lights instead of the greenhouse where I usually put them because the summer was too cool and miserable.  They did better in the house.  Anyway, if a queen got into that pot, it must have been the summer before.  I've wanted to put a colony in the plant stand since I started keeping ants, but that was impossible because of my wife's one unbreakable rule about having no ants in the house.  In this instance, I am completely guilt free, blameless and innocent.   It was an act of nature.   She seems to be accepting them as part of the insect life we tolerate around here like some lucky spiders that live in a few corners.  So far, she hasn't made me take the pot outside, but her attitude might change once the ants start foraging.   They're secretive ants and in small numbers they may slip under the radar for a while.  They've lived there for quite some time, and I barely noticed them, so I'm trying to be cool about it right now.  There's a fig tree growing in the pot with the ants, and it has some scale insects living on it, enough for this small colony so I'll keep them going.  That way the ants will have a ready food supply wherever I move them.

 

 

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There are other predators besides spiders in this ecosystem.  Nepenthes pitcher plants are ant catching specialists from tropical rainforests and I have several of them growing on the plant stand and more nearby.  It's not all sweetness and light for insects living on the plant stand.  

 

I couldn't think of a better way to combine three of my favourite things, carnivorous plants, bonsai trees and ants.   Scale insects and their honeydew tie them all together beautifully, so I think I'll introduce a few more small colonies to their own fig trees and scale insects this summer when I move them to the greenhouse.   In my case, it's much easier to provide scale insects than aphids for a colony of ants.

 

You can see some crappy video of the plant stand at   

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Edited by rptraut, February 10 2024 - 1:57 AM.

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#2 Offline Ernteameise - Posted February 4 2024 - 3:01 AM

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Wow, just wow. This looks amazing.

It is like your own private jungle, including a real food web and everything.

I am curious how this develops.


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#3 Offline rptraut - Posted February 4 2024 - 4:05 AM

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Hello Ernteameise;

It comes as the result of a life spent indulging in numerous interests which have culminated in this seemingly impossible combination of circumstances. My family will tell you how I have gone through life from one interest to another, totally immersing myself in that subject and then moving on to another subject and doing the same. Bonsai trees, carnivorous plants and ants have always fascinated me since I was a child. A lot of the information about these things wasn't available 60 years ago but I've learned along the way and refined my technique so I can keep all those balls in the air. This is the result of a lifetimes work and I've loved every minute of it! On February 12th I'll be 70 years old. I often feel like I'm reliving my childhood and keeping ants has completed that dream. Thanks to all of you friends because you have had a major part in my education in the field of ants and have helped me immeasurably to grow.
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#4 Offline BleepingBleepers - Posted February 4 2024 - 8:39 PM

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Fascinating idea. As a person that enjoys nature, that nursery you got there looks pretty tranquil.

 

I would be very interested in how you'll go about documenting the ants and other creatures in this journal.

 

Thank you for taking the time to take pictures, video and sharing!


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#5 Offline Ernteameise - Posted February 4 2024 - 11:06 PM

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Hello Ernteameise;

 

It comes as the result of a life spent indulging in numerous obsessions which have culminated in this seemingly impossible combination of circumstances.  My family will tell you how I have gone through life from one interest to another, totally immersing myself in that subject to an instructor level, and then moving on to another subject and doing the same.   Bonsai trees, carnivorous plants and ants have always fascinated me since I was a child.  A lot of the information about these things wasn't available 60 years ago but I've learned along the way and refined my technique so I can keep all those balls in the air.    This is the result of a lifetimes work and I've loved every minute of it!   On February 12th I'll be 70 years old.   I often feel like I'm reliving my childhood and keeping ants has completed that dream.  Thanks to all of you friends because you have had a major part in my education in the field of ants and have helped me immeasurably to grow.  

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You have no idea how much I do get you.

I am at least trying to do the same- where other people have a TV (I got rid of it years ago) I have now an oasis with my betta fish and shrimp and some porthos growing out of the tanks, a small corner of jungle in my living room, and now the ants have joined in, too. All of these are my childhood obsessions, and I also did read every book available on the subjects.

I am so glad I found this forum, where there are people who operate and think in a similar way.


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#6 Offline rptraut - Posted February 5 2024 - 5:55 AM

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I’m pleased you enjoy the text and video about my plant stand. It’s great to share it with kindred spirits!

I really only showed you the top shelf of my plant stand, the second shelf is where I propagate and grow african violets and the third shelf is where I propagate and grow orchids and ferns. With the plastic fronts pulled back it looks even more jungle-like. I always thought it would make a terrific free-standing formicarium. All I would have to do is put each of the four legs in a pan of soapy water for a moat. It wouldn’t be ideal, but good enough to keep a small Lasius colony contained, especially if they’re going to be hibernating all winter! These and many of my other plants are moved outside or into the greenhouse where they spend the summer. I’ll likely put the ant tree on a platform with a moat to keep the ants contained, but also, to keep other ants out.

I do have one challenging task to perform before spring. Bonsai trees should be root pruned and repotted each year. That includes the tree where the ants are nesting. The smart thing to do would be to cool them down and try to disturb them as little as possible while I unpot the tree. But fig trees are tropical and won’t like being cold for long so I’ll have to work quickly and hopefully the tree won’t require much work. I’ll do this soon before the ants really wake up. I’m tempted to put them in a formicarium, but that would sort of spoil it, besides it wouldn’t be possible to keep them on the plant stand anymore because of my wife’s #1 rule. No ants in the house!

I’ve had ants living in bonsai pots before. They remove a lot of soil from the pot building chambers, leaving the tree less soil of what was already a small amount. I’ll have to watch them closely. I’ll take pictures and maybe some more crappy video along the way to show you if you like.
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I’m pleased you enjoy the text and video about my plant stand. It’s great to share it with kindred spirits!

I really only showed you the top shelf of my plant stand, the second shelf is where I propagate and grow african violets and the third shelf is where I propagate and grow orchids and ferns. With the plastic fronts pulled back it looks even more jungle-like. I always thought it would make a terrific free-standing formicarium. All I would have to do is put each of the four legs in a pan of soapy water for a moat. It wouldn’t be ideal, but good enough to keep a small Lasius colony contained, especially if they’re going to be hibernating all winter! These and many of my other plants are moved outside or into the greenhouse where they spend the summer. I’ll likely put the ant tree on a platform with a moat to keep the ants contained, but also, to keep other ants out.

I do have one challenging task to perform before spring. Bonsai trees should be root pruned and repotted each year. That includes the tree where the ants are nesting. The smart thing to do would be to cool them down and try to disturb them as little as possible while I unpot the tree. But fig trees are tropical and won’t like being cold for long so I’ll have to work quickly and hopefully the tree won’t require much work. I’ll do this soon before the ants really wake up. I’m tempted to put them in a formicarium, but that would sort of spoil it, besides it wouldn’t be possible to keep them on the plant stand anymore because of my wife’s #1 rule. No ants in the house!

I’ve had ants living in bonsai pots before. They remove a lot of soil from the pot building chambers, leaving the tree less soil of what was already a small amount. I’ll have to watch them closely. I’ll take pictures and maybe some more crappy video along the way to show you if you like.
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I do have one challenging task to perform before spring. Bonsai trees should be root pruned and repotted each year. That includes the tree where the ants are nesting. The smart thing to do would be to cool them down and try to disturb them as little as possible while I unpot the tree. But fig trees are tropical and won’t like being cold for long so I’ll have to work quickly and hopefully the tree won’t require much work. I’ll do this soon before the ants really wake up. I’m tempted to put them in a formicarium, but that would sort of spoil it, besides it wouldn’t be possible to keep them on the plant stand anymore because of my wife’s #1 rule. No ants in the house!

 

- In reference to this, the best thing to do is actually let the soil dry up a bit and then break it up gently in a rectangular pan where the ants cannot climb up the walls. I have a spare one, I could give it to you and show you how to do this. It's a bit of an invasive method, but the ants will bounce back within the hour. I'll give you a specially-prepared test tube like the XL one I gave you, with a cork entrance. The ants will move into that on their own. It's a process that I've done a hundred times now to extract ant colonies from greenhouse pots. 


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#8 Offline Locness - Posted February 5 2024 - 7:13 PM

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Very cool, don't meet a lot of indoor bonsai keepers. I am considering some jade plants with the smaller leaf variety to cultivate. Their growth rate and forgiving nature are nice for beginners like myself.
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Hello FormiCanada;

 

Thanks for your generous offer, I've developed a foolproof system of my own very similar to what you describe.   I use a shallow boot tray with soapy water in it, and then I place a shallow tray in the water and do all my ant transferring in the tray.  I've also done it to remove ants from flowerpots as well.   I've never seen an ant cross soapy water, but they will drown.  I'm okay for test tubes as well.   I'll let you know how I make out.

 

That's a great idea for a Science Fair Project.  What makes the best filler for a moat?   Various substances could be tested like water, soapy water, oil, vinegar/water, and nothing for control.   I'd make it simple with petri dishes and an island with a number of ants and see what happens.  I'll bet even fire ants can't cross soapy water.  How often each substance has to be replenished because of evaporation could be evaluated too.

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Hello Locness;

 

Those small leaved jade plants make great looking little bonsai trees and because they're succulents they'll be a little forgiving if you're a day late with watering.   My fig trees are like that too because they store water as latex sap in their roots.  The trees you see on my plant stand are only my tropical trees that overwinter inside, the majority of my trees are outside, hardy trees like maples and junipers.  They do best when overwintered in my garden in natural conditions.   You can see more about how I grow bonsai trees here    How I Grow Bonsai Trees by RPT - General Off-Topic - Ants & Myrmecology Forum (formiculture.com)

 

I've had a type of scale on my large leaved jade plants, but they're a different type than the soft brown ones and I don't think they're as good at producing honeydew.  

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#11 Offline Miles - Posted February 6 2024 - 5:35 AM

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Loving this thread so far -- I look forward to updates! Thanks for sharing.

 

Have you considered acquiring any ant-associated plants? Such as Myrmecodia or Monolena primuliflora? I've started adding ant-associated plants to my collection and it's a blast.


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Hello Miles;

Thanks for reminding me about these amazing plants. I think I could grow these as their requirements are very similar to my Nepenthes pitcher plants.

I live in Canada which makes it difficult to duplicate tropical conditions. To grow tropical pitcher plants I have to grow them in the heated part of the house year round, on humidity trays under artificial grow lights and I water them only with rainwater. If I want them to grow pitchers, I have to cover the plant with a plastic bag. It’s not easy to grow tropical plants in a northern climate.

With that and all of my orchids, ferns, other carnivorous plants (Venus flytraps, sundews and cobra plants), flower and vegetable gardens, and orchard and ant colonies to look after, I’ve got my hands pretty well full. But if I lived a little further south and was a little younger, for sure I’d be growing some form of these plants and I’d have ants living in them. That would be very cool.
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Hello Everyone;

 

I hadn't planned on updating this journal quite so soon but as I was removing the bonsai trees for their shower, I noticed something I just had to show you.   There are soft brown scale insects (Coccus hesperidium) living on the Nepenthes pitcher plant!  A beautiful three-way symbiotic relationship where three organisms live together to everyone's benefit was right there on my plant stand!      

 

 

 

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In this case the scale insects live on the sap from the pitcher plant and produce honeydew that attracts and feeds ants.    The ants eat the honeydew while they protect the plant and scale from predators.   Ants also fall prey to the pitcher plant where they provide nutrients to the plant that are unavailable in the soil.   Those nutrients are used by the pitcher plant to produce sap for the scale insects and on it goes.   I'd be surprised if this type of relationship doesn't exist in tropical rainforests today.   

 

 

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But the relationship is even more complex than that.   Scale insects not only produce honeydew, they eject honeydew, depositing it a distance from the originating insect on the leaves and stems of the pitcher plant (see above) which makes the entire plant even more attractive to hungry ants, further coaxing them into close proximity of the deadly pitcher traps.   

 

Ants are attracted at the trap to compounds produced along the pitcher's edge.    I believe there's more than just sugar in those compounds; something that causes ants and flies to become unsteady, look almost paralyzed, lose their footing and simply fall into the water.  Otherwise, couldn't a fly just fly out of the trap?   This is why I wonder about other compounds produced by pitcher plants besides sugar that help paralyze and capture prey.   

 

I'll chronicle the developments of these relationships as spring and summer progress, when I move the trees and most of the other plants outside or into the greenhouse.  I wonder if I could get a small colony of ants to live right in the pot with the pitcher plant, or would it be possible for an ant colony to live in an empty pitcher?    Great Fun!

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