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I'm guessing Lasius.... Virginia 6/29


Best Answer Manitobant , June 29 2020 - 7:12 PM

Subgenus acanthomyops male. He took the wings off... Go to the full post


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#1 Online FeedTheAnts - Posted June 29 2020 - 5:24 PM

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1. Location (on a map) of collection: Virginia, USA
2. Date of collection: 6/29/2020
3. Habitat of collection: Back porch at a black light
4. Length (from head to gaster): 5-6mm
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: Very dark brown
6. Distinguishing characteristics: Wings are not transparent
7. Distinguishing behavior: None
8. Nest description: None

9. Nuptial flight time and date: 9:00 PM -- 6/29/2020

 

I'm thinking Lasius. It looks kinda male-ish though, so maybe I'm just a newb lol. I hope these phone pics are good enough, my camera lens is broken.

 

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Edited by FeedTheAnts, June 29 2020 - 5:25 PM.

Colonies:                                                                      Founding queens:

Crematogaster ashmeadi -- 2500 workers             Colobopsis sp -- 3 queens  

Camponotus chromaiodes -- 100 workers             Solenopsis (not "fire ant") sp --4 queens

Formica pallidefulva -- 60 workers                     Pheidole sp -- 2 queens

                                                                                    Tetramorium sp -- 1 queen


#2 Offline AntsDakota - Posted June 29 2020 - 5:30 PM

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If it is Lasius, it’s a social parasite. I would appreciate some views of the side, in which the wings aren’t blocking the view.
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#3 Online FeedTheAnts - Posted June 29 2020 - 5:38 PM

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I've caught a few more, so I smashed one to see what it smells like. It smells like a grape flavored sucker if that helps.

 

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Colonies:                                                                      Founding queens:

Crematogaster ashmeadi -- 2500 workers             Colobopsis sp -- 3 queens  

Camponotus chromaiodes -- 100 workers             Solenopsis (not "fire ant") sp --4 queens

Formica pallidefulva -- 60 workers                     Pheidole sp -- 2 queens

                                                                                    Tetramorium sp -- 1 queen


#4 Offline Antkid12 - Posted June 29 2020 - 5:46 PM

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I agree with lasius parasite.
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Ants I have: Tapinoma sessile(2 queen colony). RED MORPH Camponotus neacticus(now has pupae!), Tetramorium immigrans (x3), Aphaenogaster sp, Temnothorax sp, Brachymyrmex sp.   possibly infertile   :(,  Ponera pennsylvanica, and Pheidole morrisi!  :yahoo: 

 

Other insects: Polistes sp. Queen

                    

Ants I need: Pheidole sp., Trachymyrmex sp., Crematogaster cerasi , Dorymyrmex sp. Most wanted: Pheidole morrisii

 

                    

                   

 

 


#5 Offline AntsDakota - Posted June 29 2020 - 5:50 PM

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Yeah, definitely parasitic queens. Maybe aphidicola? But they do look a little dark for that species.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. (including ants) And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV versionCurrently Keeping: Aphaenogaster picea, Aphaenogaster rudis, Camponotus pennsylvanicus, Formica subsericea, Lasius americanus, Lasius aphidicola, Myrmica sp., Pogonomyrmex occidentalis, Ponera pennsylvanica ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________My Journal__________________________________________________________________________________________<p>Attention South Dakotans! Join us on The SoDAK (Society of Dakotan Ant Keepers)

#6 Offline ANTdrew - Posted June 29 2020 - 6:17 PM

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Good ol’ parasitic Lasius. I’ve seen these on my black-light I think.

"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25


#7 Online FeedTheAnts - Posted June 29 2020 - 6:17 PM

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Should I introduce them to host workers now, or hibernate them first?


Colonies:                                                                      Founding queens:

Crematogaster ashmeadi -- 2500 workers             Colobopsis sp -- 3 queens  

Camponotus chromaiodes -- 100 workers             Solenopsis (not "fire ant") sp --4 queens

Formica pallidefulva -- 60 workers                     Pheidole sp -- 2 queens

                                                                                    Tetramorium sp -- 1 queen


#8 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted June 29 2020 - 6:22 PM

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Looks like a wingless wasp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those antennae to not appear to have a bend.


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#9 Offline Manitobant - Posted June 29 2020 - 7:12 PM   Best Answer

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Subgenus acanthomyops male. He took the wings off...

Edited by Manitobant, June 29 2020 - 7:14 PM.

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Colony wish list:

Lasius latipes
Harpagoxenus canadensis
Temnothorax Americanus
Myrmica semiparasitica
Any formica microgyna group sp.

#10 Online FeedTheAnts - Posted June 30 2020 - 5:43 AM

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Subgenus acanthomyops male. He took the wings off...

I'm afraid you're right about it being a male. Yes, I did remove the wings myself for better viewing. They sure are the thickest males I've ever seen.


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Colonies:                                                                      Founding queens:

Crematogaster ashmeadi -- 2500 workers             Colobopsis sp -- 3 queens  

Camponotus chromaiodes -- 100 workers             Solenopsis (not "fire ant") sp --4 queens

Formica pallidefulva -- 60 workers                     Pheidole sp -- 2 queens

                                                                                    Tetramorium sp -- 1 queen


#11 Online Kaelwizard - Posted June 30 2020 - 6:53 AM

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That is not a male. It is a Lasius social parasite queen, most likely L. aphidicola. I see these all the time.

Camponotus novaeboracensis > 1 queen with eggs.

 

Ponera pennsylvanica > 1 queen.

 

Formica glacialis or subaenescens > 9 workers


#12 Online FeedTheAnts - Posted June 30 2020 - 7:02 AM

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Look up acanthomyops male, it matches exactly.
 

That is not a male. It is a Lasius social parasite queen, most likely L. aphidicola. I see these all the time.

 
https://www.google.c...QAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Second from the left is a male


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Colonies:                                                                      Founding queens:

Crematogaster ashmeadi -- 2500 workers             Colobopsis sp -- 3 queens  

Camponotus chromaiodes -- 100 workers             Solenopsis (not "fire ant") sp --4 queens

Formica pallidefulva -- 60 workers                     Pheidole sp -- 2 queens

                                                                                    Tetramorium sp -- 1 queen


#13 Online Kaelwizard - Posted June 30 2020 - 7:48 AM

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Oh...

Camponotus novaeboracensis > 1 queen with eggs.

 

Ponera pennsylvanica > 1 queen.

 

Formica glacialis or subaenescens > 9 workers


#14 Offline VenomousBeast - Posted June 30 2020 - 2:18 PM

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This is definitely a species of wasp. It doesn't have the signature bend in the antenna that all ants have, along with that the head to body ratio is too big to be a male alate (and queen ants have their antenna bent)



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1 Stigmatomma pallipes queen (6 eggs so far and they're soon to hatch)

 

NOTES: I'm about to leave on a mission (2 years) for my church and so I've been selling/giving away some of my colonies as I won't be able to care for them here soon.


#15 Online FeedTheAnts - Posted June 30 2020 - 2:53 PM

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This is definitely a species of wasp. It doesn't have the signature bend in the antenna that all ants have, along with that the head to body ratio is too big to be a male alate (and queen ants have their antenna bent)

I disagree. It is not a wasp. I know the pics aren't too good but In person it clearly is an ant. Look up Lasius males, it matches a few exactly.


Colonies:                                                                      Founding queens:

Crematogaster ashmeadi -- 2500 workers             Colobopsis sp -- 3 queens  

Camponotus chromaiodes -- 100 workers             Solenopsis (not "fire ant") sp --4 queens

Formica pallidefulva -- 60 workers                     Pheidole sp -- 2 queens

                                                                                    Tetramorium sp -- 1 queen


#16 Offline Zeiss - Posted June 30 2020 - 2:56 PM

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This is definitely a species of wasp. It doesn't have the signature bend in the antenna that all ants have, along with that the head to body ratio is too big to be a male alate (and queen ants have their antenna bent)

Males don't always have a noticeable bend in their antennae.  Some males have the elbow very close to their head which makes it unnoticeable.


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#17 Offline VenomousBeast - Posted July 1 2020 - 6:05 AM

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This is definitely a species of wasp. It doesn't have the signature bend in the antenna that all ants have, along with that the head to body ratio is too big to be a male alate (and queen ants have their antenna bent)

I disagree. It is not a wasp. I know the pics aren't too good but In person it clearly is an ant. Look up Lasius males, it matches a few exactly.

 

I've been looking at Lasius males all night  :lol: Upon relooking at your pictures, the top one, I can barely see the bend (but it's still there!!) The bottom one didn't do me any good :lol: . But, I can definitely say that is is a male alate and not a wasp!! Thank you for the humbling experience and pointing it out for me (y) I can't fully ID it due to not being able to count the antenna segments, but if you can provide that, I got you! 


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-Haden Lee
Keeps:
 

1 Stigmatomma pallipes queen (6 eggs so far and they're soon to hatch)

 

NOTES: I'm about to leave on a mission (2 years) for my church and so I've been selling/giving away some of my colonies as I won't be able to care for them here soon.


#18 Online FeedTheAnts - Posted July 1 2020 - 6:26 AM

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This is definitely a species of wasp. It doesn't have the signature bend in the antenna that all ants have, along with that the head to body ratio is too big to be a male alate (and queen ants have their antenna bent)

I disagree. It is not a wasp. I know the pics aren't too good but In person it clearly is an ant. Look up Lasius males, it matches a few exactly.

 

I've been looking at Lasius males all night  :lol: Upon relooking at your pictures, the top one, I can barely see the bend (but it's still there!!) The bottom one didn't do me any good :lol: . But, I can definitely say that is is a male alate and not a wasp!! Thank you for the humbling experience and pointing it out for me (y) I can't fully ID it due to not being able to count the antenna segments, but if you can provide that, I got you! 

 

I don't have them anymore, sorry. Once I knew they were males I wasn't too interested in an ID.


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Colonies:                                                                      Founding queens:

Crematogaster ashmeadi -- 2500 workers             Colobopsis sp -- 3 queens  

Camponotus chromaiodes -- 100 workers             Solenopsis (not "fire ant") sp --4 queens

Formica pallidefulva -- 60 workers                     Pheidole sp -- 2 queens

                                                                                    Tetramorium sp -- 1 queen





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