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Help Identifying Queen


Best Answer dspdrew , May 24 2020 - 6:38 PM

I think we could probably say this is something from the Camponotus festinatus complex.

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#1 Offline Froggy - Posted May 22 2020 - 1:31 PM

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1. Location (on a map) of collection: NE of Phoenix AZ
2. Date of collection: 5/21/2020
3. Habitat of collection: Desert Scrub
4. Length (from head to gaster): 11mm
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: Body: Dark Golden color Gaster: Golden striped into black at tip
6. Distinguishing characteristics: Dark red-brown mandibles, and slightly translucent striped dark Gaster 
7. Distinguishing behavior: NA
8. Nest description: NA

9. Nuptial flight time and date: NA

 

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https://imgur.com/a/Qe9YIUS

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#2 Offline Antkid12 - Posted May 22 2020 - 1:50 PM

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Possibly a Camponotus snellingi queen? really light colored tho....


Edited by Antkid12, May 22 2020 - 1:51 PM.

Ants I have: Tapinoma sessile, Stigmatomma pallipes, Camponotus neacticus, Camponotus pennsylvanicus, Aphaenogaster sp. (x2)

                    

                    

Ants I need: Pheidole sp., Trachymyrmex sp., Crematogaster cerasi ,   Dorymyrmex sp.

                    

                   

 

 


#3 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 22 2020 - 2:44 PM

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Those are not present in AZ.  Could be C. microps. Without microscope pictures you probably can't tell.


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Colonies:Nylanderia vividula

Lasius cf. americanus

Founding queens:

Camponotus hyatti/sayi

Temnothorax nevadensis

Brachymyrmex patagonicus

Pheidole navigans

Solenopsis sp. 1

Solenopsis sp.2

Monomorium cf. minimum.


#4 Offline Froggy - Posted May 23 2020 - 8:33 AM

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Those are not present in AZ.  Could be C. microps. Without microscope pictures you probably can't tell.

Ok, I definitely think its a C. Microps, do you know whether they are Fully or Semi claustural?



#5 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 23 2020 - 9:48 AM

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Fully claustral. She did look rather skinny though, so you might want to give her a small drop of a sugary liquid.


Colonies:Nylanderia vividula

Lasius cf. americanus

Founding queens:

Camponotus hyatti/sayi

Temnothorax nevadensis

Brachymyrmex patagonicus

Pheidole navigans

Solenopsis sp. 1

Solenopsis sp.2

Monomorium cf. minimum.


#6 Offline Froggy - Posted May 23 2020 - 10:57 AM

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Ok, thanks



#7 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 23 2020 - 11:51 AM

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This is a Camponotus species, that is about as  far as I would go with an Id.



#8 Offline Zeiss - Posted May 23 2020 - 1:05 PM

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Possibly a Camponotus snellingi queen? really light colored tho....

IDing an ant by color is not going to work.



#9 Offline Froggy - Posted May 23 2020 - 1:07 PM

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Possibly a Camponotus snellingi queen? really light colored tho....

IDing an ant by color is not going to work.

 

I'm fairly certain its a Camponotus Microps 



#10 Offline Froggy - Posted May 23 2020 - 1:10 PM

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Fully claustral. She did look rather skinny though, so you might want to give her a small drop of a sugary liquid.

She doesn't seem to want the sugar water that i put in, which I guess shouldn't be an issue since she's fully claustral, but she's just kinda hanging out on the tube entrance on the cotton ball and I'm not sure if I should be worried or not



#11 Offline Zeiss - Posted May 23 2020 - 1:17 PM

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I'm fairly certain its a Camponotus Microps 

What are you using to make sure that's what it is?

 

Color is not always the same even in the same species, so using color alone to ID is not going to get you a solid result.

 

Also, I wouldn't go off of NickAnter's suggestion alone.  He even says he would need a microscope to make sure he is correct.  If you have access to a microscope or a macro lens, try getting pictures of the mandibles, head, side, and top.


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#12 Offline Froggy - Posted May 23 2020 - 1:29 PM

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I'm fairly certain its a Camponotus Microps 

What are you using to make sure that's what it is?

 

Color is not always the same even in the same species, so using color alone to ID is not going to get you a solid result.

 

Also, I wouldn't go off of NickAnter's suggestion alone.  He even says he would need a microscope to make sure he is correct.  If you have access to a microscope or a macro lens, try getting pictures of the mandibles, head, side, and top.

 

I don't have access to either lol, but I'm getting a macro lens delivered tomorrow so I'll take some pictures then



#13 Offline Zeiss - Posted May 23 2020 - 1:34 PM

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I don't have access to either lol, but I'm getting a macro lens delivered tomorrow so I'll take some pictures then

Sounds good.  Remember to embed your images when you post them, please.  You can do so by using a URL directly in the "Image" option or by uploading to the forum.



#14 Offline Froggy - Posted May 24 2020 - 6:24 PM

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Those are not present in AZ.  Could be C. microps. Without microscope pictures you probably can't tell.

 

 

Sounds good.  Remember to embed your images when you post them, please.  You can do so by using a URL directly in the "Image" option or by uploading to the forum.

 

 

I got the macro lens and I hope these pictures are good enough because apparently plastic isn't the best thing to take pictures through lol, I can try take better images if you need, here's the images:

 

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#15 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 24 2020 - 6:34 PM

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Pretty sure that confirms festinatus group.


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Colonies:Nylanderia vividula

Lasius cf. americanus

Founding queens:

Camponotus hyatti/sayi

Temnothorax nevadensis

Brachymyrmex patagonicus

Pheidole navigans

Solenopsis sp. 1

Solenopsis sp.2

Monomorium cf. minimum.


#16 Offline dspdrew - Posted May 24 2020 - 6:38 PM   Best Answer

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I think we could probably say this is something from the Camponotus festinatus complex.


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#17 Offline AntsDakota - Posted May 24 2020 - 6:40 PM

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Those pics are better than mine.
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#18 Offline Froggy - Posted May 24 2020 - 6:45 PM

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Pretty sure that confirms festinatus group.

 

 

I think we could probably say this is something from the Camponotus festinatus complex.

Ok, thanks for the answers, I'm assuming still Fully Claustral?



#19 Offline MinigunL5 - Posted May 24 2020 - 7:21 PM

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what's a macro lens?



#20 Offline Froggy - Posted May 24 2020 - 7:27 PM

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what's a macro lens?

Its a camera lens that can take pictures of things at a closer distance than a normal lens, its good for taking pictures of bugs and stuff, you can buy them for a camera or use a clip on one for a iPhone, I use a clip-on lens for my phone, you can buy them on amazon for pretty cheap, just search up "clip on macro lens for iPhone" on amazon


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