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Pogonomyrmex misidentification?!


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#1 Offline AntsDakota - Posted March 7 2020 - 3:51 PM

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I recently received two P. occidentalis queens from UtahAntShop. Yet today when I was feeding them I observed that one queen was slightly larger than the other. Could she be a larger species such as P. barbatus?

 

 

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Location of Collection: unspecified location in the southwestern U.S.

Current Date: 3/7/2020

 

 

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Location of Collection: Unspecified location in the southwestern U.S.

Date of Collection: Date of collection unknown.

Habitat of collection: Habitat of collection unknown.

Length: 9 millimeters.

Coloration: Mostly red; semi-translucent bright orange strip a mm or so from the tip of the gaster; black wing scars; mandibles and area of head almost up to eyes is black.

Distinguishing characteristics: mandibles and head are slightly larger than that of the smaller queen; gaster is noticeably larger than that of the smaller queen.

Anything else distinctive: N/A

Nest description: Nest description is unavailable. 

Nuptial flight time and date: Nuptial flight time and date is unknown.

Photos: I apologize for the poor quality of these photos. They were the best I could do through the glare, condensation, and iPad camera.

Note: The queen on the right is the larger queen which I am attempting to identify.

 

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Edited by AntsDakota, March 7 2020 - 3:51 PM.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. (including ants) And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version


#2 Offline ponerinecat - Posted March 7 2020 - 3:54 PM

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Size is extremely variable. Bigger or smaller does not mean different species. We really can't tell without better pics, but I'm pretty sure that's occi.


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#3 Offline AntsDakota - Posted March 7 2020 - 3:56 PM

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Alright, thanks. I'm probably just being paranoid.


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#4 Offline gcsnelling - Posted March 7 2020 - 4:06 PM

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I wouldn't sweat it, but at the same time there is no guarantee they know what they are talking about.


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#5 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted March 7 2020 - 4:46 PM

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Isn't that a lot of seeds? I feel like they might be crowded.(sometimes i feel like i should stop commenting on species i have never kept, as i am probably wrong in this case :D)


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#6 Offline AntsDakota - Posted March 7 2020 - 6:49 PM

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They seem fine with it. The larger queen drug all the seeds into a nest little pile close to the cotton.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. (including ants) And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version


#7 Offline AntsDakota - Posted March 7 2020 - 6:55 PM

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I wouldn't sweat it, but at the same time there is no guarantee they know what they are talking about.

Yeah, that’s what I thought at first too.

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#8 Offline jcisopodgang - Posted March 30 2020 - 8:00 AM

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I know this topic is old but starting ur Pogonomyrmex in bare test tubes isn't the best idea, they have a huge trouble with climbing glass so providing sand or dirt is better, they thrive in dirt setups naturally.


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#9 Offline AntsDakota - Posted March 30 2020 - 8:39 AM

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I actually had a layer of substrate at the bottom of the tube.

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#10 Offline AntsDakota - Posted March 30 2020 - 8:40 AM

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And these queens were killed by the Aspergillus fungus, so it wouldn’t really matter now..........

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#11 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 30 2020 - 2:56 PM

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If the first mandibular tooth is pointing upward towards the clypeus, it's occidentalis.




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