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Thoughts on these small ponerines?

Started By SuperFrank , Jun 21 2019 2:38 PM

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#1 Offline SuperFrank - Posted June 21 2019 - 2:38 PM

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When I first caught the queen i assumed they were Hypoponera or Ponera, but they were fast growing and had large colonies, with at least a few hundred members. They would send a decent amount to the surface but when I finally poked around in their viv I realized how large the colony truly was. The workers are around 3-4mm. Found in northern Florida. I never took good photos but I have a few videos, I am unsure if the links will work though.




#2 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 21 2019 - 2:46 PM

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Has to be Brachyponera, they are the only ponerines that have hundreds of workers here in the US. Size fits too.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#3 Offline ponerinecat - Posted June 22 2019 - 9:42 AM

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antennae are too short, and they look identicle to my hypoponera.


#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 22 2019 - 10:23 AM

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No Hypoponera have over 200 workers in the US. If so, this is completely new, so you should document them very closely.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#5 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted June 22 2019 - 4:55 PM

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Since this is in Florida and the workers are 4 millimeters, I would say these are Brachyponera chinensis. I have extensive experience with these.

But then again, I could be wrong.

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#6 Offline Manitobant - Posted June 22 2019 - 7:25 PM

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Has to be Brachyponera, they are the only ponerines that have hundreds of workers here in the US. Size fits too.

don't odontomachus and neoponera also have more than 100?
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Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
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#7 Offline ponerinecat - Posted June 24 2019 - 3:53 PM

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Do they have eyes?

#8 Offline SuperFrank - Posted June 24 2019 - 6:16 PM

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I have since euthanized the colony and as such can't take any more pics. However I commonly get small ponerine queens at my light, these were all collected late last fall and dumped into random vivariums, this is the only one that exploded. The took any and all food offered and would swarm over it, i fed them daily and they seemed to always be hungry.

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#9 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 25 2019 - 7:09 AM

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Has to be Brachyponera, they are the only ponerines that have hundreds of workers here in the US. Size fits too.

don't odontomachus and neoponera also have more than 100?
Yeah, I forgot about Odontomachus, and Neoponera. I always forget stuff like that.
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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

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