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Small colony Jasper Indiana (found 20 ft up on oak branch inside acorn)


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#21 Offline Acutus - Posted May 28 2019 - 8:11 PM

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Here is a picture of a Camponotus subbarbatus queen from the web (all of my queens look exactly like this, I just don’t want to disturb them). The queen that I am trying to ID does not have the yellow stripes, or even yellow at all. Plus, the thorax is bright orange, whereas on C. Subbarbatus the thorax can range from black to dark red. There is no way that this queen is C. Subbarbatus unless it is some uncommon variety, but I highly doubt it. I will attempt to get better pictures tomorrow as I know these ones have bad glare.

 

As a rule color means nothing in taxonomy. I think to properly ID this we may have to look at body structures and such. Color aberrations exist in all forms of life.


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#22 Offline Martialis - Posted May 29 2019 - 3:47 AM

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I could very well be wrong...it’s happened quite a bit before.

Could you get a picture from the side with better lighting? That would be fairly helpful in nailing her down to a specific species.
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#23 Offline CatsnAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 5:28 AM

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Alright, so I made my own homage photo shoot area for macro and blah. I took a bunch of photos, but the direct side views still need to be taken because the queen just wasn’t cooperating (I also need to take underside views and will get to that soon as well), and I don’t want to stress them out to much, so expect those photos later today. In the mean time, I’m just gonna dump all these on ya:





(This next one is for the antennal segments)






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#24 Offline Martialis - Posted May 29 2019 - 5:44 AM

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I think you're definitely right about her not being C. subbarbatus at this point. Sorry for my misidentification earlier. Compare her to Camponotus novaeboracensis.   Definitely not that. Way too big.

 

Also, for photography, if you put her in the fridge for a couple minutes it can slow her down quite a bit without hurting the colony. That usually makes them more complacent for photography.


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#25 Offline Martialis - Posted May 29 2019 - 5:55 AM

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Check out Camponotus caryae: (https://mississippie...otus_caryae.htm)

 

Ca.caryae.que.pro.jpg

 

Looks close to a match to me.


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#26 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:05 AM

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Camponotus caryae is a close match. I also looked at Camponotus snellingi, and it seems that might work.

#27 Offline CatsnAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:09 AM

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Check out Camponotus caryae: (https://mississippie...otus_caryae.htm)

Ca.caryae.que.pro.jpg

Looks close to a match to me.


HOLY WOW, I think you just found a match :D! I checked it out and compared and the similarities are high in amount. They are supposed to be found in Indiana, so it would be a logical match! For now until I get better photos, I am going to call it Camponotus cf. caryae. Also, I will try putting them in the fridge for a little bit (Thxs for the tip!).
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#28 Offline Martialis - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:09 AM

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Camponotus caryae is a close match. I also looked at Camponotus snellingi, and it seems that might work.

Those don't quite reach Indiana as far as I know.


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#29 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:11 AM

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Camponotus caryae is a close match. I also looked at Camponotus snellingi, and it seems that might work.

Those don't quite reach Indiana as far as I know.

They are found in Tennessee. I have a colony that looks a bit like this.

#30 Offline Martialis - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:14 AM

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Tennessee has a different climate than Indiana. It's also a over a hundred miles from abut where this ant was found. Not exactly the smallest distance.


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#31 Offline CatsnAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:16 AM

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It could possibly be C. snellingi, but the coloration seems way off. The queen that I have has a dark head that differs greatly from the thorax, whereas this species appears to have a solid color going from the thorax to the head. Also, the gaster of my queen is mostly black, whereas the color is split half and half on C. snellingi queens. I know coloration doesn’t matter much as said earlier, but I am pretty sure it isn’t C. snellingi.

EDIT: where’s batspidetfish when you need him?

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#32 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:21 AM

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It could possibly be C. snellingi, but the coloration seems way off. The queen that I have has a dark head that differs greatly from the thorax, whereas this species appears to have a solid color going from the thorax to the head. Also, the gaster of my queen is mostly black, whereas the color is split half and half on C. snellingi queens. I know coloration doesn’t matter much as said earlier, but I am pretty sure it isn’t C. snellingi.


C. snellingi queens have huge color variation. My queen looks like something other than C. snellingi, but she actually is. Some queens are dark, some have lots of yellow, some have next to no yellow. Some are red, some are orange. This species is just very confused. Can't make up their mind about what they want to look like. :lol:

#33 Offline CatsnAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 6:38 AM

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It could possibly be C. snellingi, but the coloration seems way off. The queen that I have has a dark head that differs greatly from the thorax, whereas this species appears to have a solid color going from the thorax to the head. Also, the gaster of my queen is mostly black, whereas the color is split half and half on C. snellingi queens. I know coloration doesn’t matter much as said earlier, but I am pretty sure it isn’t C. snellingi.

C. snellingi queens have huge color variation. My queen looks like something other than C. snellingi, but she actually is. Some queens are dark, some have lots of yellow, some have next to no yellow. Some are red, some are orange. This species is just very confused. Can't make up their mind about what they want to look like. :lol:

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#34 Offline CatsnAnts - Posted May 29 2019 - 7:26 AM

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Alright, so I’ve done more research, and it’s definitely Camponotus caryae! So glad to finally have it identified!
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