Jump to content

  • Chat
  •  
  •  

Welcome to Formiculture.com!

This is a website for anyone interested in Myrmecology and all aspects of finding, keeping, and studying ants. The site and forum are free to use. Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation points to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!

Photo

Camponotus caryae vs. Camponotus nearcticus

camponotus camponotus caryae camponotus nearcticus id

  • Please log in to reply
8 replies to this topic

#1 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted September 2 2019 - 1:19 PM

Antennal_Scrobe

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 933 posts
  • LocationMilwaukee, Wisconsin

How exactly do I tell the difference between the two species in the title? Currently, I call the normal black or red and black varieties C. nearcticus and the oddly colored ones with orange markings C. caryae. I know caryae has hairs on its face that are absent in nearcticus, but I don't think those are very easy to detect when they are there. The most interesting form I see is a subgenus myrmentoma major with a black gaster, orange mesosoma, and a reddish brown head. This I always call caryae


Currently keeping:

 

Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#2 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted September 2 2019 - 2:00 PM

Ferox_Formicae

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,443 posts
  • LocationProsperity, South Carolina

Literally the only way to tell is that C. caryae has punctures and hairs on the malar area while C. nearcticus lacks this. Color is almost never a good indicator of a species, especially species with such extreme color variation as C. caryae and C. nearcticus, both species of which can range from pitch black to red with a black gaster. Color varies between individuals from the same populations, even within the same colony.


  • Aaron567, TennesseeAnts, CheetoLord02 and 3 others like this

Currently Keeping:

 

Camponotus chromaiodes, Camponotus nearcticus, Stigmatomma pallipesStrumigenys brevisetosaStrumigenys clypeataStrumigenys louisianaeStrumigenys membraniferaStrumigenys reflexaStrumigenys rostrata

 

All Strumigenys Journal

Shop

 

YouTube

Twitter


#3 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted September 2 2019 - 2:36 PM

Antennal_Scrobe

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 933 posts
  • LocationMilwaukee, Wisconsin

How closely would I have to look to see the facial hairs? Would a phone camera work? I like to use the video camera as a microscope without actually filming anything.


Currently keeping:

 

Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#4 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted September 2 2019 - 2:51 PM

Ferox_Formicae

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,443 posts
  • LocationProsperity, South Carolina

You have to look pretty close. I have an eye loop I use, but I occasionally use a microscope. If you have a macro lens, you could use that with your phone. They're pretty cheap.


  • Antennal_Scrobe likes this

Currently Keeping:

 

Camponotus chromaiodes, Camponotus nearcticus, Stigmatomma pallipesStrumigenys brevisetosaStrumigenys clypeataStrumigenys louisianaeStrumigenys membraniferaStrumigenys reflexaStrumigenys rostrata

 

All Strumigenys Journal

Shop

 

YouTube

Twitter


#5 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted September 2 2019 - 2:57 PM

Antennal_Scrobe

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 933 posts
  • LocationMilwaukee, Wisconsin

I don't have a macro lens, but want one. So it seems like you can't really tell without actual magnification equipment. So then I think I'll have to wait till next year for that first worker to die before I can identify my colony. I think I'll still call them cf. caryae though.


Edited by Antennal_Scrobe, September 2 2019 - 2:58 PM.

Currently keeping:

 

Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#6 Offline Aaron567 - Posted September 2 2019 - 3:08 PM

Aaron567

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,005 posts
  • LocationPensacola, FL

As Ferox_Formicae said, color has nothing to do with differentiating C. nearcticus from C. caryae. On queens or major workers the hairs should be somewhat prominent with the naked eye if light is reflecting off of them in a certain way. You'll see them very easily with a simple, cheap macro lens. Minor workers of caryae still have little to no malar hairs so you'll need to get a major or queen to identify them. 


  • Antennal_Scrobe likes this

#7 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted September 2 2019 - 3:36 PM

Antennal_Scrobe

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 933 posts
  • LocationMilwaukee, Wisconsin

I keep trying to see if my queen has those hairs, I just can't tell. I wish C. caryae was better known, since it seems to have a wide range.


Currently keeping:

 

Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#8 Offline Aaron567 - Posted September 3 2019 - 4:15 PM

Aaron567

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,005 posts
  • LocationPensacola, FL

There are some good examples of the malar hairs in this Mississippi Entomological Museum article.


  • Polyacanthus likes this

#9 Offline Polyacanthus - Posted April 30 2022 - 7:51 PM

Polyacanthus

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 162 posts
  • LocationMichigan, USA

There are some good examples of the malar hairs in this Mississippi Entomological Museum article.

 

Thanks for this. I had the same question. Looks like I have nearcticus.

 

S20220430_0006_crop.jpg







Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: camponotus, camponotus caryae, camponotus nearcticus, id

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users