Jump to content

  • Chat
  •  
  •  





Welcome to Formiculture.com!

This is a website for anyone interested in Myrmecology and all aspects of finding, keeping, and studying ants. The site and forum are free to use, and contain no ads for members. Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation points to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!

Photo
* * * * * 2 votes

solenopsis phoretica with pheidole sp


  • Please log in to reply
23 replies to this topic

#1 Offline neoponera - Posted January 13 2019 - 9:04 AM

neoponera

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 88 posts
  • Locationnuevoleon mexico

i was on a nice day walking on my back yard (near a desert that's near a river)  and thought

 

that rock looks lift-able, and found a pheidole colony (mind thatt at the moment i just had 1 catch cup) i was observing them  until i find the queen,

 

i lifted the queen with my hand and saw something odd, there was another ant  that wasnt pheidole, it was a solenopsis phoretica queen, the queen 1 (solenopsis phoretica) realized that she was in danger and started franticly looking for the pheidole

queen to ride her as seen in this picture (credit of alexander wild)

cf_phoretica1-L.jpg

 

so i placed the queens on a rock filled with workers and brood and took them home to place them in a test tube

 

i passed them into a test tube  and after doing some research the only thing i found was, very few info is known about their activities after the host queen has found a nesting place

 

so i did oservations like

 

 

*the queen will not kill the host, there fore the host will develop a colony wich will feed her, i find pheidole is easy to trick in that way because they are used to having more than 1 queen.

 

*the queen 1 will not produce any type of workers, yet

 

* the queen 1 will stop riding piggyback after the queen has the host workers to defend her.


  • Ants4fun, Leo, rdurham02 and 3 others like this

#2 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 13 2019 - 10:18 AM

ponerinecat

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 144 posts
  • LocationCalifornia

HOW!? This is one of the most rare ant species, only two ants ever found and no records of any other castes than the queen. If you raise these, try to contact a myrmecologist. This queen may only produce other alates and drones though.



#3 Offline gcsnelling - Posted January 13 2019 - 4:40 PM

gcsnelling

    Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 984 posts

How did you come up with this species as the correct Id?


  • nurbs, Mdrogun, Aaron567 and 1 other like this

#4 Offline AntsBC - Posted January 14 2019 - 10:38 AM

AntsBC

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 159 posts
  • LocationBritish Columbia, Canada

Pictures or it didn't happen.


  • gcsnelling, Mdrogun, Canadian anter and 3 others like this

Currently Keeping:

 
Formica cf. fossaceps (parasitic) - Journal
Formica neogagates 
Formica pacifica - Journal
Formica podzolica
Lasius americanus
Manica hunteri - Journal
Myrmica incompleta
 

Instagram

YouTube 

 

 


#5 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted January 14 2019 - 3:43 PM

Mettcollsuss

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,190 posts
  • LocationChicago, IL

That's a really rare find. Can you get some photos? I'd love to see her.



#6 Offline gcsnelling - Posted January 24 2019 - 4:56 PM

gcsnelling

    Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 984 posts

Any update?



#7 Offline anttics - Posted January 28 2019 - 10:14 AM

anttics

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 516 posts
Dude you got the holy grail of ant keeping. Record thier behavior. It might be useful to science. I have found strange behavior in my camp. Fragilis. That no one even people keeping them have witnes them do. They use the cacoons to culture some type of fungus. Which they feed to the larva. All they feed the fungus is nectar. And cacoons. I have videos, and pics. Your case is much more exciting

Edited by anttics, January 28 2019 - 10:17 AM.

  • Leo likes this

#8 Offline gcsnelling - Posted January 28 2019 - 4:13 PM

gcsnelling

    Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 984 posts

Dude you got the holy grail of ant keeping. Record thier behavior. It might be useful to science. I have found strange behavior in my camp. Fragilis. That no one even people keeping them have witnes them do. They use the cacoons to culture some type of fungus. Which they feed to the larva. All they feed the fungus is nectar. And cacoons. I have videos, and pics. Your case is much more exciting

 

I think this is a claim for which the phrase "photos or it didn't happen would apply"


  • Leo likes this

#9 Offline Leo - Posted January 28 2019 - 4:34 PM

Leo

    Advanced Member

  • Junior Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,196 posts
  • LocationHong Kong

Dude you got the holy grail of ant keeping. Record thier behavior. It might be useful to science. I have found strange behavior in my camp. Fragilis. That no one even people keeping them have witnes them do. They use the cacoons to culture some type of fungus. Which they feed to the larva. All they feed the fungus is nectar. And cacoons. I have videos, and pics. Your case is much more exciting

Photos or this is fake



#10 Offline anttics - Posted January 28 2019 - 5:50 PM

anttics

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 516 posts
I agree how about a journal, and a video where you can see them dump their cacoons into the goo culture.

Here is thr link
http://www.formicult...e-3#entry107064

#11 Offline Mdrogun - Posted January 29 2019 - 2:53 PM

Mdrogun

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 716 posts
  • LocationNaperville, IL

I agree how about a journal, and a video where you can see them dump their cacoons into the goo culture.

Here is thr link
http://www.formicult...e-3#entry107064

The only thing your journal proves is that your ants were putting their trash on the wet cotton in their formicarium.


  • gcsnelling and Aaron567 like this

Ready for Nuptial flights!


#12 Offline gcsnelling - Posted January 29 2019 - 3:51 PM

gcsnelling

    Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 984 posts

 

I agree how about a journal, and a video where you can see them dump their cacoons into the goo culture.

Here is thr link
http://www.formicult...e-3#entry107064

The only thing your journal proves is that your ants were putting their trash on the wet cotton in their formicarium.

 

 

Ahh you beat me to it.



#13 Offline AntsBC - Posted January 29 2019 - 5:23 PM

AntsBC

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 159 posts
  • LocationBritish Columbia, Canada

Sadly enough, I think we will all have to wait before we get to see this profound discovery. This user, (at least according to FC), hasn't been active since the day he made this thread. This means he isn't necessarily avoiding the cries for photos, he just hasn't seen them. Hopefully he takes some photos after he logs in next. 


Edited by AntsBC, January 29 2019 - 5:26 PM.

  • Canadian anter and Karma like this

Currently Keeping:

 
Formica cf. fossaceps (parasitic) - Journal
Formica neogagates 
Formica pacifica - Journal
Formica podzolica
Lasius americanus
Manica hunteri - Journal
Myrmica incompleta
 

Instagram

YouTube 

 

 


#14 Offline anttics - Posted February 11 2019 - 1:24 PM

anttics

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 516 posts


I agree how about a journal, and a video where you can see them dump their cacoons into the goo culture.

Here is thr link
http://www.formicult...e-3#entry107064

The only thing your journal proves is that your ants were putting their trash on the wet cotton in their formicarium.

Maybe you are right. It does not disprove the fact that the cacoons turned into that stuff. Which they later feed the larva. With out a proper study. Its just a theory. Still its a strange behavior

#15 Offline 123LordOfAnts123 - Posted February 11 2019 - 3:16 PM

123LordOfAnts123

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 281 posts
  • LocationOrlando, Florida


I agree how about a journal, and a video where you can see them dump their cacoons into the goo culture.

Here is thr link
http://www.formicult...e-3#entry107064

The only thing your journal proves is that your ants were putting their trash on the wet cotton in their formicarium.
Maybe you are right. It does not disprove the fact that the cacoons turned into that stuff. Which they later feed the larva. With out a proper study. Its just a theory. Still its a strange behavior

The “stuff” is mold and decomposed cocoons and exuviae. Also ant poop. Ants poop a lot and they make designated toilets. The claim the larvae are fed it because they have black stomachs is a bit wishful thinking; black is the standard for most ant larvae that have been fed.
  • gcsnelling likes this

#16 Offline anttics - Posted February 15 2019 - 6:58 PM

anttics

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 516 posts


I agree how about a journal, and a video where you can see them dump their cacoons into the goo culture.

Here is thr link
http://www.formicult...e-3#entry107064

The only thing your journal proves is that your ants were putting their trash on the wet cotton in their formicarium.
Maybe you are right. It does not disprove the fact that the cacoons turned into that stuff. Which they later feed the larva. With out a proper study. Its just a theory. Still its a strange behavior
The “stuff” is mold and decomposed cocoons and exuviae. Also ant poop. Ants poop a lot and they make designated toilets. The claim the larvae are fed it because they have black stomachs is a bit wishful thinking; black is the standard for most ant larvae that have been fed.

Well I did mention in the journal. That I stoped giving them protein for more than a week. The black mold started to decrease. Larva were feed well with Black stomachs. Even a major larva was raised with out a gram of protein. I know ants can keep food in their gaster. In these species you can see if they have food stored. Which they did not. Their bathroom is outside. Have u ever wonder. how some camponotus species grow so big, with so little protein. Maybe they use this cacoon culture as an extra boost. I'm not saying I'm correct. Its a theory. With out proof it will stay that way. I'm also aware of other people should have notice this behavior. Who knows. It will be awsome if it is true.

#17 Offline neoponera - Posted February 21 2019 - 2:38 PM

neoponera

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 88 posts
  • Locationnuevoleon mexico

after some time of scool business and anting

 

i decided to come back to see that many people have sent me messages of disbelief

 

now, i cannot take pictures of a crumb size ant accurately

 

sooo...... 



#18 Offline neoponera - Posted February 21 2019 - 2:41 PM

neoponera

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 88 posts
  • Locationnuevoleon mexico

  how do you place images on this place



#19 Offline neoponera - Posted February 21 2019 - 2:44 PM

neoponera

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 88 posts
  • Locationnuevoleon mexico

 i do have images

 

but they are blurry

 

and this place doesnt allow for the typical copy + paste


and a whole new parasite topic started here



#20 Offline EthanNgo678 - Posted February 21 2019 - 3:13 PM

EthanNgo678

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 187 posts
  • LocationTerra Linda, Ca

You can find how to post photos here.






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users