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Queen ID (Pinon Hills, CA) (2/19/2016)


Best Answer gcsnelling , February 20 2016 - 8:37 AM

If  from the same locality, then most likely the same. Color would suggest barbata, but as we know color is not a perfect tool. Did you collect any?

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#1 Offline Foogoo - Posted February 19 2016 - 7:02 PM

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1. Location of collection: Antelope Valley, CA
2. Date of collection: 2/19/2016
3. Habitat of collection: Desert chaparral
4. Length (from head to gaster): ~8mm
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: Black, lighter banded gaster
 

Dug two of these up today from founding chambers. Doesn't look like Myrmecocystus nor Veromessor, the two I'd expect to be flying this time of year in the desert. Thanks.

 

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Camponotus vicinus, Crematogaster 1, Crematogaster 2, Formica francoeuri, *, *, Myrmecocystus testaceus, Novomessor cockerelli, Pheidole hyatti, Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus, Solenopsis invicta


#2 Offline Mdrogun - Posted February 19 2016 - 7:28 PM

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Pheidole


Edited by Mdrogun, February 19 2016 - 9:47 PM.

Currently Keeping:
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis

Pheidole pilifera

Forelius sp. (Monogynous, bicolored) "Midwestern Forelius"
Crematogaster cerasi

Pheidole bicarinata

Aphaenogaster rudis

Camponotus chromaiodes

Formica sp. (microgena species)

Nylanderia cf. arenivega


#3 Offline dspdrew - Posted February 19 2016 - 10:33 PM

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Wow, I think that's the same Pheidole species I found really early last year too. We also found a bunch of Dolopomyrmex pilatus at the same time.

 

It looks exactly like this one: http://www.formicult...php/topic/1174-

 

Hopefully someone can help ID it, because I was unable to. It's definitely very unique flying in early February. Pheidole barbata and P. psammophila were my guesses when I tried to ID it last year.

 

Did they by any chance, have typical, fan-shaped founding chambers?



#4 Offline Foogoo - Posted February 20 2016 - 7:27 AM

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Yup, your textbook founding chambers. I wonder if it's the queen of these guys, which I'm guessing are Pheidole.

 

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Camponotus vicinus, Crematogaster 1, Crematogaster 2, Formica francoeuri, *, *, Myrmecocystus testaceus, Novomessor cockerelli, Pheidole hyatti, Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus, Solenopsis invicta


#5 Offline gcsnelling - Posted February 20 2016 - 8:37 AM   Best Answer

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If  from the same locality, then most likely the same. Color would suggest barbata, but as we know color is not a perfect tool. Did you collect any?



#6 Offline dspdrew - Posted February 20 2016 - 9:25 AM

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Yeah mine had a fan-shaped founding chamber too. I haven't seen a lot of Pheidole founding chambers, but all the others I've seen only made little mounds similar to Dorymyrmex. I also got mine in Llano, which is just down the road, so I'm pretty sure our queens are the same. I still have my queen preserved too. I should pin it up and get some microscope pictures. One thing I noticed about mine is the queen was the biggest I've seen yet from the Pilifera group.



#7 Offline gcsnelling - Posted February 20 2016 - 1:44 PM

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P. barbata does occur over near Llano. However until they are properly scoped there is no telling.



#8 Offline Foogoo - Posted February 20 2016 - 2:16 PM

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I did collect a worker but keep forgetting it's in my car, hopefully it's still in one piece, I'll get some pics tonight.

 

What made you distinguish her as Pheidole from Dolopomyrmex?


Camponotus vicinus, Crematogaster 1, Crematogaster 2, Formica francoeuri, *, *, Myrmecocystus testaceus, Novomessor cockerelli, Pheidole hyatti, Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus, Solenopsis invicta


#9 Offline dspdrew - Posted February 20 2016 - 4:25 PM

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First most obvious thing is the size; the Dolopomyrmex queens I found were around 13 mm in length. And aside from the way they look, Dolopomyrmex make founding chambers that look like the ones made by Doryrmymex and some Pheidole--small, mounds of dirt about an inch in diameter.



#10 Offline Foogoo - Posted February 21 2016 - 4:32 PM

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Here's a few more pics, best I can do with a USB microscope and dessicated specimen, which is actually more like 1.5-2mm:

 

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Camponotus vicinus, Crematogaster 1, Crematogaster 2, Formica francoeuri, *, *, Myrmecocystus testaceus, Novomessor cockerelli, Pheidole hyatti, Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus, Solenopsis invicta


#11 Offline dspdrew - Posted February 21 2016 - 6:30 PM

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I don't think a minor is going to do much good anyway.



#12 Offline dspdrew - Posted May 14 2017 - 4:24 PM

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I'm quite sure this was Pheidole barbata.






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