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My long unidentified queen, Clumsy Lily


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#1 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted June 26 2024 - 3:48 AM

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My queen, Clumsy Lily, was caught on a tile near my swimming academy. She is aptly named as she is so clumsy she could barely climb onto my hand and couldn't even walk properly on glass, plastic or paper. In fact, she only seemed to be able to walk properly on soil. Thinking she was a subterranean ant, I gave her some soil. She burrowed under it. One month later, I checked on her and was shocked to discover that she hadn't layed any eggs. She is currently in a plastic easter egg with a thin layer of soil. After a thorough search, the queen she looks like the most is the queen of Bondroitia lujae. But B.lujae lives in Africa! Could she be the first described queen of anillomyrma(Close relative of bondroitia, lives in southeast asia, also not in my area.)Could it be A.decamera which lives in NORTHERN india, or a new species?!?!?!?!!?

Edit: Found in South Bengaluru, Karnataka, India

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#2 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted June 26 2024 - 5:00 AM

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She is 9-10 mm



#3 Offline NotAxo - Posted June 26 2024 - 8:04 AM

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Looks like C. Vitiosus

I'm in Kerala!

I'm not 100% sure about my assumption though

Currently raising : C. Parius (2x), C. Vitiosus (2x), Carebara Diversa (1x), C. irratians (2x), M. brunnea (1x)

Have raised : Solenopsis

Enjoy anting, NotAxo :D


#4 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted June 26 2024 - 8:10 AM

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What does C stand for?



#5 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted June 26 2024 - 8:18 AM

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For Camponotus

 

Looks like C. Vitiosus

I'm in Kerala!

I'm not 100% sure about my assumption though

You would not capitalize vitiosus


Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 


#6 Online Mettcollsuss - Posted June 26 2024 - 4:01 PM

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I don't think this can be safely taken beyond Myrmicinae without workers and likely higher-quality macro images.


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#7 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted June 26 2024 - 4:37 PM

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what does C stand for?



#8 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted June 26 2024 - 4:47 PM

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Looks like C. Vitiosus


I'm in Kerala!

I'm not 100% sure about my assumption though

If C means Camponotus, I don't think she's Formicine, NotAxo


what does C stand for?

I accidentally reposted this



#9 Offline The_Gaming-gate - Posted July 3 2024 - 1:21 PM

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Solenopsis geminata or savissaema group is my best guess, but they is likely an error.

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#10 Online Stubyvast - Posted July 3 2024 - 5:35 PM

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Is she infertile then? Or simply without suitable conditions? It's possible she is semi-claustral and thus requires some protein to begin egg-laying. Strange! You should try a test tube set-up with some grit at the bottom for her to walk on. 


Currently raising: 

Myrmica Rubra (polygynous 2 queen + brood)

Camponotus Modoc (single queen + brood)

Camponotus Vicinus (two single queens + brood)

Lasius Niger (single queen + ~60+ workers)

Tetramorium immigrans (single queen)

Temporarily keeping IdioticMouse26's ants/tarantula until August 12th as he is away. Thanks IM26!

 

 


#11 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted July 4 2024 - 7:45 AM

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Solenopsis geminata or savissaema group is my best guess, but they is likely an error.

So do you think it is Solenopsis nitens(only native indian species of solenopsis)?

 

Is she infertile then? Or simply without suitable conditions? It's possible she is semi-claustral and thus requires some protein to begin egg-laying. Strange! You should try a test tube set-up with some grit at the bottom for her to walk on. 

No,I don't think she's semi claustral as if she was she wouldn't have survived a month underground, and if she was infertile I don't think she would have created a founding chamber. Maybe bad conditions, as you said.


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#12 Offline ReignofRage - Posted July 4 2024 - 5:39 PM

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I think giving a location would help. At the moment, the most anyone can deduce for a location is pretty much just India (which isn't even directly stated). Beyond that, all we know is that it isn't "Northern" or the coast near Sri Lanka. It's possible that she hasn't laid eggs because she needs to be kept warmer and in much better conditions. Try to get some better pictures by using much brighter lighting.



#13 Offline NotAxo - Posted July 4 2024 - 5:53 PM

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As far as I know from his introduction, he's in bengaluru, india

Currently raising : C. Parius (2x), C. Vitiosus (2x), Carebara Diversa (1x), C. irratians (2x), M. brunnea (1x)

Have raised : Solenopsis

Enjoy anting, NotAxo :D


#14 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted July 5 2024 - 5:43 AM

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Oops, forgot to give my location at the beginning of this post :rolleyes: . I will do it next time.

 

As far as I know from his introduction, he's in bengaluru, india

Yes, I do live in Bengaluru, and I found her not very far from my home.



#15 Offline The_Gaming-gate - Posted July 5 2024 - 3:28 PM

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Solenopsis geminata or savissaema group is my best guess, but they is likely an error.

So do you think it is Solenopsis nitens(only native indian species of solenopsis)?

Is she infertile then? Or simply without suitable conditions? It's possible she is semi-claustral and thus requires some protein to begin egg-laying. Strange! You should try a test tube set-up with some grit at the bottom for her to walk on.

No,I don't think she's semi claustral as if she was she wouldn't have survived a month underground, and if she was infertile I don't think she would have created a founding chamber. Maybe bad conditions, as you said.
Infertile queens will follow their instincts and build claustral chambers. I believe the queen could potentially be the S. geminata dark variant, but I need a clearer picture to confirm.

S. geminata is a stinging species with majors. It is invasive to much of Asia. This is by no means a 100% accurate ID, but it’s the best thing anyone’s thought of so far.

Edited by The_Gaming-gate, July 5 2024 - 3:30 PM.

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#16 Offline enceladussmartants - Posted July 9 2024 - 6:26 AM

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Sorry for the late reply!

No, I do not think she is S.geminata, the_gaming_gate. I've kept their queens before, and Clumsy Lily is definitely different. I feel she has a smaller head,differently shaped mandibles and a longer body shape than S.geminata queens, not to mention EXTREMELY clumsy. 


Edited by enceladussmartants, July 9 2024 - 6:27 AM.





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