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rcbuggy88's Camponotus clarithorax Journal (Updated 6/26/20) with possible gynandromorph

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#1 Offline rcbuggy88 - Posted May 14 2020 - 1:41 PM

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Well, I though the queen was unfertilized but now there seems to be a worker. The first "nanitic" produced was a male, but the second one was a proper worker nanitic?  :facepalm:  :wtf:  :dash: . Its also my first colony* so I was disappointed with the male, but now the queen is partially fertilized? The Male fed the worker and queen so its kinda a worker? Its got limp wings hanging of the side of it's body. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*cool colony (other one is I think monomorium minimum)

edit: It might not be monomorium, it might just be argentines or tetra. It is a dark black and shaped more like the monomorium pictures i've looked (not an expert) but antmaps says not many nearby. Now I think they may be Tapinoma but I don't really care too much.

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Edited by rcbuggy88, June 26 2020 - 3:40 PM.

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Currently Keeping: Camponotus clarithorax, Camponotus hyatti, Tetramorium immigransNylanderia vividula, Liometopum occidentaleCamponotus modoc, Zootermopsis sp.

Wanted: Acromyrmex versicolor, Myrmecocystus sp., Camponotus us-ca02 (vibrant red not dull orange), Prenolepis imparis, Anything else I don't have lol...

Kept Before: Solenopsis molesta, Prenolepis imparis (still got one, but infertile)


#2 Offline Antkid12 - Posted May 14 2020 - 1:46 PM

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That is really, really strange.  :thinking:


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Ants I have: Tapinoma sessile(2 queen colony). RED MORPH Camponotus neacticus(now has pupae!), Tetramorium immigrans (x3), Aphaenogaster sp, Temnothorax sp, Brachymyrmex sp.   possibly infertile   :(,  Ponera pennsylvanica, and Pheidole morrisi!  :yahoo: 

 

Other insects: Polistes sp. Queen

                    

Ants I need: Pheidole sp., Trachymyrmex sp., Crematogaster cerasi , Dorymyrmex sp. Most wanted: Pheidole morrisii

 

                    

                   

 

 


#3 Offline EthanNgo678 - Posted May 14 2020 - 1:47 PM

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That is not monomorium, the first picture looks like Camponotus clarithorax. 



#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 14 2020 - 1:59 PM

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That looks to be some sort of male-female hybrid. that's not what a normal male Camponotus male looks like. That may be the first record of this in Camponotus on this forum.


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Lasius americanus--about 200 Workers

Nylanderia vividula--500+ workers

Temnothorax rudis--9-20 workers and brood                           

Pheidole navigans--500+? workers

Strumigenys membranifera!!!!--25 queens

Camponotus maritimus--2-6 workers and brood.

Dorymyrmex insanus--6 workers

Solenopsis "plebius"--5-15 workers

Solenopsis cf. truncorum--Eggs


#5 Offline rcbuggy88 - Posted May 14 2020 - 2:00 PM

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Dude, I said first "cool colony" the other one I have is the boring monomorium. The title is also "Camponotus something"...

 

Aside from that, I found another one of these queens a couple days ago on my dining room chair, inside the house??? I look out side for an hour and can't find anymore. The first queen I found, was right outside my house. And I've never seen wild Camponotus close by? The only ants I've seen close to here are Argentines, Monomorium, and Prenolepis??? This is the Male/Female Hybrid 1st Nanitic in question.

 

edit: to show photos 

edit: might not even be monomorium might just be argentines.

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Currently Keeping: Camponotus clarithorax, Camponotus hyatti, Tetramorium immigransNylanderia vividula, Liometopum occidentaleCamponotus modoc, Zootermopsis sp.

Wanted: Acromyrmex versicolor, Myrmecocystus sp., Camponotus us-ca02 (vibrant red not dull orange), Prenolepis imparis, Anything else I don't have lol...

Kept Before: Solenopsis molesta, Prenolepis imparis (still got one, but infertile)


#6 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted May 14 2020 - 2:12 PM

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WOW that is really cool. Get lots of videos and photos and maybe find an expert to show it to.


Edited by OhNoNotAgain, May 14 2020 - 2:14 PM.

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Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus, vicinus, quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and previously californicus

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


#7 Offline rcbuggy88 - Posted May 14 2020 - 2:24 PM

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Well, there are 2 pupa so lets just see what they turn out to be lol. Also, I don't really have a way to take high resolution photos, so after the male dies, how to I keep it from growing fungus?


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My Shop     :D  :iamsohappy:  :dance3:  :yahoo:

Currently Keeping: Camponotus clarithorax, Camponotus hyatti, Tetramorium immigransNylanderia vividula, Liometopum occidentaleCamponotus modoc, Zootermopsis sp.

Wanted: Acromyrmex versicolor, Myrmecocystus sp., Camponotus us-ca02 (vibrant red not dull orange), Prenolepis imparis, Anything else I don't have lol...

Kept Before: Solenopsis molesta, Prenolepis imparis (still got one, but infertile)


#8 Offline Antkid12 - Posted May 14 2020 - 2:26 PM

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Well, there are 2 pupa so lets just see what they turn out to be lol. Also, I don't really have a way to take high resolution photos, so after the male dies, how to I keep it from growing fungus?

take it out with a small tweezer.


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Ants I have: Tapinoma sessile(2 queen colony). RED MORPH Camponotus neacticus(now has pupae!), Tetramorium immigrans (x3), Aphaenogaster sp, Temnothorax sp, Brachymyrmex sp.   possibly infertile   :(,  Ponera pennsylvanica, and Pheidole morrisi!  :yahoo: 

 

Other insects: Polistes sp. Queen

                    

Ants I need: Pheidole sp., Trachymyrmex sp., Crematogaster cerasi , Dorymyrmex sp. Most wanted: Pheidole morrisii

 

                    

                   

 

 


#9 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted May 14 2020 - 3:09 PM

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The head looks like the head of the nanitic? Maybe it's a worker with some queen parts?


Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus, vicinus, quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and previously californicus

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


#10 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted May 14 2020 - 3:16 PM

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Actually, wait, the head looks maybe half and half, maybe like this bee?

 

https://www.smithson...male-180974553/

 

"Unlike hermaphrodites, which often outwardly appear male or female but have the reproductive organs of both, gynandromorphs boast entire bodies that are sexual mosaics. Because of their rarity in nature, these sex-split individuals are poorly understood."


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Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus, vicinus, quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and previously californicus

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


#11 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted May 14 2020 - 3:21 PM

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What genetic witchcraft is going on here


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#12 Offline jushi - Posted May 14 2020 - 3:25 PM

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This is really interesting. What species do you think it is? You may have found something really crazy.


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Tapinoma Sessile (founding) x3
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Prenolepis Imparis (founding) x2
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Myrmecina Americana x1

#13 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted May 14 2020 - 3:26 PM

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The article proposes two possible causes of gynandromorphs:

 

"...double fertilization events seem to explain at least some honeybee gynandromorphs, though male-female hybrids in other species can manifest in other ways. Another explanation might involve a cell in a typical female embryo making a mistake while copying itself, generating one female cell and one male cell instead of two female cells."


Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus, vicinus, quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and previously californicus

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


#14 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted May 14 2020 - 3:27 PM

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The article proposes two possible causes of gynandromorphs:

 

"...double fertilization events seem to explain at least some honeybee gynandromorphs, though male-female hybrids in other species can manifest in other ways. Another explanation might involve a cell in a typical female embryo making a mistake while copying itself, generating one female cell and one male cell instead of two female cells."

so that's the genetic witchcraft going on here


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#15 Offline Amazant - Posted May 14 2020 - 7:37 PM

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I’m pretty sure this happened to my tetramorium colony last year
Here are two pictures

I circled the wings

Here is a weird development at the end of its gaster.
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#16 Offline ANTdrew - Posted May 15 2020 - 3:00 AM

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Monomorium ain’t boring, they’re just small.

"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25  

Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.


#17 Offline ForestDragon - Posted May 15 2020 - 8:19 AM

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those are very rare in nature, I would try to get it preserved in resin or sanatizer when it dies, this is awesome


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#18 Offline VoidElecent - Posted May 15 2020 - 9:26 AM

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I believe that one workers is a gynandromorph. I found a gynandromorph Brachymyrmex depilis queen once; I still have her in ethanol!


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#19 Offline AntsDakota - Posted May 15 2020 - 9:27 AM

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Monomorium ain’t boring, they’re just small.

I feel the same way about Solenopsis molesta. One of my favorite species, yet it's very underappreciated.


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#20 Offline ANTdrew - Posted May 15 2020 - 9:58 AM

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I love Solenopsia molesta, too. I never got the prejudice against small ants. A bunch of huge Camponotus huddled up with full social stomachs doing nothing for days at a time is my idea of boring. To each his own, though.
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