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Sugar to Water Ratio for Feeding(ANSWERED)


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#1 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 27 2019 - 6:13 PM

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So, with my new colony of C. hyatti, I want to know the general ratio used by most of you to provide ample sugar.

Edited by NickAnter, May 29 2019 - 3:54 PM.

Currently keeping:             

Camponotus hyatti (1, single queen, 1 worker.)                     "Keep your eyes on the stars and your feet on the ground." -Theodore Roosevelt

                                                                                              "Either you will control your government, or government will control you." -Ronald Reagan

                                                                                "Leadership is the art is getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it." -                                                                                   Dwight  D. Eisenhower

                        

 

Currently founding:

---Solenopsis molesta(2 tubes  with five in one and two in the other.  )

---Monomorium cf. minimum(1 queen) Pheidole navigans(9 separate queens) Hypoponera sp. (1 queen)  Nylanderia vividula(1)

Hoping to get soon:Camponotus fragilis,Lasius pallitarsis and brevicornis,Formica argentea,Stigmatomma pallipes/oregonense and Pogonomyrmex californicus.


#2 Offline drtrmiller - Posted May 28 2019 - 12:27 AM

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There's a lot of mixed opinions on this.  User Barristan has a website that features a good article on the topic.  You can use Google to translate the article if you can't read German.  It's a good starting point for home made sugar solutions.

CrazyAnts Article: https://crazyants.de...ern-und-lagern/

 

Alternatively, you may want to consider Sunburst Ant Nectar, which is a convenient and reliable sugar solution that is ready to offer to your ants without any preparation.  It's perfect for newbies as well as users who want the convenience of a ready-to-use liquid sugar in a bottle.


Edited by drtrmiller, May 28 2019 - 4:54 AM.

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#3 Offline Antking117 - Posted May 28 2019 - 5:00 AM

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I just use sunburst and don't mess with all that stuff.



#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 28 2019 - 5:42 AM

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Thank you drtrmiller, all I had to do was look at the ratio.  Thanks again!


Currently keeping:             

Camponotus hyatti (1, single queen, 1 worker.)                     "Keep your eyes on the stars and your feet on the ground." -Theodore Roosevelt

                                                                                              "Either you will control your government, or government will control you." -Ronald Reagan

                                                                                "Leadership is the art is getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it." -                                                                                   Dwight  D. Eisenhower

                        

 

Currently founding:

---Solenopsis molesta(2 tubes  with five in one and two in the other.  )

---Monomorium cf. minimum(1 queen) Pheidole navigans(9 separate queens) Hypoponera sp. (1 queen)  Nylanderia vividula(1)

Hoping to get soon:Camponotus fragilis,Lasius pallitarsis and brevicornis,Formica argentea,Stigmatomma pallipes/oregonense and Pogonomyrmex californicus.


#5 Offline Joehostile85 - Posted May 28 2019 - 8:35 AM

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I use - water to sugar ratio of 1:1

What did you decide to go with?

#6 Offline Ant_Dude2908 - Posted May 28 2019 - 8:39 AM

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I use water to sugar and ratio 2:1

#7 Offline Acutus - Posted May 28 2019 - 11:07 AM

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I use Honey. LOL :)


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Camponotus chromaiodes

Camponotus castaneus

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Aphaenogaster "NOT tennesseensis" fulva


#8 Offline CatsnAnts - Posted May 28 2019 - 4:52 PM

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I use Honey. LOL :)


Sameee
5 queen Temnothorax ambiguus (founding)
11 queen Temnothorax curvispinosus (founding)
1 queen Colobopsis mississippiensis (founding)
1 queen Colobopsis impressa (founding)
1 queen Lasius interjectus (with 30 host workers)
x3 1 queen Camponotus subbarbatus (founding)
1 queen Strumigebys pilinasis (colony of about 30 workers)
1 queen Ponera pennsylvanica (founding)
x2 1 queen Pheidole bicarinata (founding)
1 queen Temnothorax curvispinosus (~170 workers) ... also have 2 termite colonies.

#9 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 29 2019 - 3:53 PM

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Well, I am going to edit the title so that it is "answered." I just made the 3 to 1 mixture, as stated by the German article.

Edited by NickAnter, May 29 2019 - 3:55 PM.

Currently keeping:             

Camponotus hyatti (1, single queen, 1 worker.)                     "Keep your eyes on the stars and your feet on the ground." -Theodore Roosevelt

                                                                                              "Either you will control your government, or government will control you." -Ronald Reagan

                                                                                "Leadership is the art is getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it." -                                                                                   Dwight  D. Eisenhower

                        

 

Currently founding:

---Solenopsis molesta(2 tubes  with five in one and two in the other.  )

---Monomorium cf. minimum(1 queen) Pheidole navigans(9 separate queens) Hypoponera sp. (1 queen)  Nylanderia vividula(1)

Hoping to get soon:Camponotus fragilis,Lasius pallitarsis and brevicornis,Formica argentea,Stigmatomma pallipes/oregonense and Pogonomyrmex californicus.


#10 Offline Joehostile85 - Posted May 31 2019 - 8:12 AM

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3:1 as in 3 parts water 1 part sugar? What exactly would be the point in diluting the sugar?

Edited by Joehostile85, May 31 2019 - 8:13 AM.

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#11 Offline Barristan - Posted May 31 2019 - 8:55 AM

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You can read this article: https://www.scienced...022191098000535

 

Ants collecting dilute solutions (5 to 15% w/w) returned to the nest with partial crop loads. Crop filling increased with increasing sucrose concentration, and reached a maximum at 42.6% w/w. Workers collecting highly concentrated solutions (70% w/w) also returned to the nest with a partially-filled crop, as observed for dilute solutions.
Nectar intake rate was observed to increase with increasing sucrose concentration in the range 5 to 30% sucrose. It reached a maximum at 30.8%, and declined with increasing sucrose concentration.


#12 Offline Joehostile85 - Posted May 31 2019 - 9:06 AM

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You can read this article: https://www.scienced...022191098000535

Ants collecting dilute solutions (5 to 15% w/w) returned to the nest with partial crop loads. Crop filling increased with increasing sucrose concentration, and reached a maximum at 42.6% w/w. Workers collecting highly concentrated solutions (70% w/w) also returned to the nest with a partially-filled crop, as observed for dilute solutions.

Nectar intake rate was observed to increase with increasing sucrose concentration in the range 5 to 30% sucrose. It reached a maximum at 30.8%, and declined with increasing sucrose concentration.

Ok so going on those quotes and since were talking sugar water. They are suggesting 42.6% sugar. Which is basically a 1:1 ratio. Except they are talking about weight and I was referring to volume so I don’t know if those would equal the same thing?

And now that I think of it, I’m thinking 1 cup of water weighs more than 1 cup of sugar. So they are actually calling for a higher sugar ratio than 1:1.

Edited by Joehostile85, May 31 2019 - 9:26 AM.


#13 Offline Barristan - Posted May 31 2019 - 9:27 AM

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You can read this article: https://www.scienced...022191098000535
 

Ants collecting dilute solutions (5 to 15% w/w) returned to the nest with partial crop loads. Crop filling increased with increasing sucrose concentration, and reached a maximum at 42.6% w/w. Workers collecting highly concentrated solutions (70% w/w) also returned to the nest with a partially-filled crop, as observed for dilute solutions.

Nectar intake rate was observed to increase with increasing sucrose concentration in the range 5 to 30% sucrose. It reached a maximum at 30.8%, and declined with increasing sucrose concentration.

Ok so going on those quotes and since were talking sugar water. They are suggesting 42.6% sugar. Which is basically a 1:1 ratio. Except they are talking about weight and I was referring to volume so I don’t know if those would equal the same thing?

And now that I think of it, I’m thinking 1 cup of water weighs more than 1 cup of sugar. So they are actually calling for a higher sugar ratio than 1:1.

 

 

But intake rate will also go down exponentially so at 42.6% ants will fill their crop the most but it takes also a lot longer for them.

 

If nothing is otherwise stated they used weight not volume to calculate the ratio.


Edited by Barristan, May 31 2019 - 9:28 AM.


#14 Offline Joehostile85 - Posted May 31 2019 - 9:56 AM

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1 cup of water = 225g
1 cup of sugar =200g
So 42% sugar would equal a weight ratio of 94.5g(sugar):225g(water)

So for a full crop they are suggesting a ratio that is just under 1:1 (slightly less sugar). But Is it not possible that the ants drink less when there’s higher concentration of sugar because they require less of the liquid to get the same amount of sugar? Thus saving room for other food sources.




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