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pogonomyrmex x camponotus?


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#1 Online AsdinAnts - Posted June 5 2024 - 2:34 PM

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Hey, so I was hiking with my dad, and I stumbled upon a very shallow pogonomyrmex californicus nest. I decided to collect some pupae/pupating larvae to feed my other ants that I had at home.
I gave a pupae to my A. occidentalis, M. Invidia, F. neogagates, and lastly my C. vicinus.

When I gave the C. vicinus a pupating larva, they dragged it into the nest, and are now seemingly caring for it. I decided to give them another P. californicus pupating larva, and they are also caring for that one as well. The californicus larvae are mixed in with the camponotus larvae.

Has anyone had anything similar like this happen to them? Once the pupae enclose, (if they do) i’ll post an update.

Edited by AsdinAnts, June 5 2024 - 2:35 PM.

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#2 Offline 1tsm3jack - Posted June 5 2024 - 4:30 PM

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That's super interesting, would love to hear about how it turns out.


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#3 Offline Izzy - Posted June 5 2024 - 7:27 PM

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If she survives do you think they'll tell her she's adopted?


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#4 Offline 1tsm3jack - Posted June 5 2024 - 7:44 PM

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If she survives do you think they'll tell her she's adopted?

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#5 Offline IdioticMouse26 - Posted June 5 2024 - 7:48 PM

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That's really interesting. I have a C.vicinus and i'll try the same thing when I find other broods and post the results here.

that way, we can see if it's a consistant thing the species do or if was a coincident.

 

Edit: I'm probably going to use Formica or Lasius since they're the most common here


Edited by IdioticMouse26, June 5 2024 - 7:52 PM.

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#6 Online AsdinAnts - Posted June 5 2024 - 7:58 PM

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If she survives do you think they'll tell her she's adopted?

that made me laugh lol, I think they’re going to kill at least one pupae.
My reasoning for this is because one is an alate pupa, and the other is a worker

That's really interesting. I have a C.vicinus and i'll try the same thing when I find other broods and post the results here.
that way, we can see if it's a consistant thing the species do or if was a coincident.

Edit: I'm probably going to use Formica or Lasius since they're the most common here

okay, thanks!
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Currently keeping
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-F. neogagates
-M. invidia
-Stennama spec..
I will want to also keep some other lasius types in the future.
You should also subscribe to my youtube channel! https://www.youtube.com/@AsdAnts

#7 Offline kiedeerk - Posted June 6 2024 - 3:30 AM

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They will kill or eat the larva/pupae of other species. Sometimes they take in brood thinking it’s their own but will realize soon that it’s from different species

Very close species will accept brood. In my area, Camponotus pennsylvanicus will accept chromaoides and vice versa but it doesn’t work across vastly different species

#8 Online AsdinAnts - Posted June 6 2024 - 9:44 AM

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yea, I was thinking that was going to happen as well. They will probably figure it out once the pupating larvae turns into an actual pupa, since pogonomyrmex pupae don’t have cocoons.
Currently keeping
-A. occidentalis
-B. patagonicus
-C. vicinus
-F. neogagates
-M. invidia
-Stennama spec..
I will want to also keep some other lasius types in the future.
You should also subscribe to my youtube channel! https://www.youtube.com/@AsdAnts

#9 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted June 6 2024 - 10:09 AM

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My sansa's got a naked puepa and they noticed the differince and killed it.


Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 


#10 Online AsdinAnts - Posted June 6 2024 - 9:43 PM

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umm.. The larva pupated, and it’s gaster has been gaining some color now..
You can see it right next to the worker that's beside the queen’s gaster.
edit: the gaster is tinted a pretty nice orange, it’s not visible in the picture though. Also, i’m pretty sure that it’s a female alate pupa.

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Edited by AsdinAnts, June 6 2024 - 9:48 PM.

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Currently keeping
-A. occidentalis
-B. patagonicus
-C. vicinus
-F. neogagates
-M. invidia
-Stennama spec..
I will want to also keep some other lasius types in the future.
You should also subscribe to my youtube channel! https://www.youtube.com/@AsdAnts

#11 Offline 1tsm3jack - Posted June 7 2024 - 4:34 AM

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Well that’ll be fun to watch go down lol, they just recruit a Pogonomyrmex alate as a worker

#12 Online AsdinAnts - Posted June 7 2024 - 4:34 PM

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it was murdered
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Currently keeping
-A. occidentalis
-B. patagonicus
-C. vicinus
-F. neogagates
-M. invidia
-Stennama spec..
I will want to also keep some other lasius types in the future.
You should also subscribe to my youtube channel! https://www.youtube.com/@AsdAnts

#13 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted June 7 2024 - 5:46 PM

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R.I.P Pogonomyrmex alate  :boohoo: 2024-2024


Edited by GOCAMPONOTUS, June 7 2024 - 6:05 PM.

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Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 


#14 Online AsdinAnts - Posted June 7 2024 - 6:41 PM

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R.I.P Pogonomyrmex alate :boohoo: 2024-2024

haha, poor alate 😔
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Currently keeping
-A. occidentalis
-B. patagonicus
-C. vicinus
-F. neogagates
-M. invidia
-Stennama spec..
I will want to also keep some other lasius types in the future.
You should also subscribe to my youtube channel! https://www.youtube.com/@AsdAnts

#15 Offline Stubyvast - Posted June 8 2024 - 10:09 AM

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Shoot I was hoping they'd raise it to become a full member of the colony! And imagine if it had managed to mate during the next nuptial flight...and live symbiotically with c. vicinus! Basically a new species haha. That would deserve a whole scientific study. So sad.


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#16 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted June 8 2024 - 11:20 AM

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AnthonyP13 has a 2 different camponotus types living with eachother.


Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 


#17 Offline bmb1bee - Posted June 8 2024 - 4:35 PM

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AnthonyP13 has a 2 different camponotus types living with eachother.

Queens of different species or workers? Workers can be introduced to another colony if in the same group/complex.
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#18 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted June 8 2024 - 4:37 PM

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Queens, he has it on his YouTube channel

 

It appears he uses 75% acetone and 25% water mixes it and dipped them in


Edited by GOCAMPONOTUS, June 11 2024 - 6:45 AM.

Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 





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