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Queens caught under rock - NY, Oct 7
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	Voidley
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					Posted October  7 2023 -  5:15 PM
					
				
			
				
			
			
			    I just found these two queens each under adjacent rocks which I flipped. They were found at around noon today (10/7/23) in NY. They are about 8mm, have orange and brown coloration, thick legs and antennae, and look kind of parasitic. My best guess would be Lasius claviger but I’m really not sure. I didn’t see any brood or workers with them under the rocks, so does that mean they are not social parasites? I would think their first stop would be to take over a nest but I could very well be wrong so feel free to correct me. Thanks.
			
				
					
						
					
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					Posted October  7 2023 -  6:13 PM
					
				
			
				
			
			
			
					Yes parasitic maybe clavier. They hibernate under rocks and they use them for cover instead of being threatened by predators.
					
					
					
				
				
				
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					Posted October  7 2023 -  6:33 PM
					
				
			
				
			
			
			Yes parasitic maybe clavier. They hibernate under rocks and they use them for cover instead of being threatened by predators.
I guess that makes sense if one of your hosts is neoniger. There's no point in killing a queen who won't provide the workers you need until spring.
Should I hibernate them before trying to introduce them to host workers? Or should I give her workers/brood now, and then hibernate them like normal?
			
				
					
						
					
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					Posted October  8 2023 -  2:24 AM
					
				
			
				
			
			
			
					Following a natural cycle would probably be best, but I bet you could go either way. 
					
					
					
				
				
				
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					Posted October  8 2023 -  5:24 AM
					
				
			
				
			
			
			
					Claviger. Probably part of the massive flight LI had last week. Hibernate would be best.
					
					
					
				
				
				Edited by Jonathan5608, October 8 2023 - 5:26 AM.
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					Posted October  8 2023 -  7:29 AM
					
				
			
				
			
			
			
					I cought aphidicola a few days ago under a brick. I'm going to hibernate her before I introduce her to workers.
					
					
					
				
				
				
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					Posted October  9 2023 -  3:37 PM
					
				
			
				
			
			
			Yep claviger. One thing I would mention about them that many people don't know is that they (the queens especially) can be quite finicky with cotton. So I suggest using a blue 16 mm sponge instead. For her hosts just grab some lasius brood and some workers, she can't open brood herself. I would introduce workers now and then hibernate.
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