44 replies to this topic

[FinWins]

Hello everyone, today I was wondering about how many people have aphis permits and how hard it is to get one that’s why I set up this poll.

Edited by FinWins, July 20 2022 - 1:26 PM.

[United-Ants]

I don't have a permite but I will soon

[FinWins]

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

Edited by FinWins, July 20 2022 - 2:27 PM.

[AntsDakota]

I'm curious as to how often the USDA actually sends someone to inspect applicants' setups like they say they might.

[FinWins]

Me too

[aznphenom]

I have permits. It depends if you're transporting native or non native. Native permit is a lot faster and easier. While some people are going on a year for non native.

[AntsDakota]

I have permits. It depends if you're transporting native or non native. Native permit is a lot faster and easier. While some people are going on a year for non native.

But do they do inspections often?

[United-Ants]

 

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 

 

camponotus castaneus

camponotuspennslvanicus

camponotus subbaratus

camponotus chromaiodes

camponotus texanus

camponotus semitestaceus

camponotus ocreatus

camponotus ca02

camponotus anthrax 

camponotus clarthorax

camponotus essigi

camponotus fragilis

camponotus leavigatus

camponotus leavissmus  

camponotus maritimus

camponotus sansabeanus

camponotus vicinus 

Camponotus dumetorum

camponotus modoc

camponotus nearcticus

camponotus americanus

Dorymyrmex bicolor

Dorymyrmex insanus

Pheidole gilvescens

Pheidole xerophila

pheidole rhea

Pheidole morrisii

Neoponera villosa

Myrmecocystus navajo

Myrmecocystus testaceus

Myrmecocystus yuma

Myrmecocystus kathjuli

Myrmecocystus lugubris

Myrmecocystus creightoni

Myrmecocystus romainei

Myrmecocystus kennedyi

Myrmecocystus placodops

Prenolepis imparis

Novomessor cockerelli

Pogonomyrmex californicus

Pogonomyrmex montanus

Pogonomyrmex rugosus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus

Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus

Pogonomyrmex maricopa

Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus

pogonomyrmex badius

Pogonomyrmex huachucanus

Pogonomyrmex bicolor

Pogonomyrmex pima

Pogonomyrmex texanus

Pogonomyrmex comanche

Pogonomyrmex desertorum

Solenopsis xyloni

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Veromessor stoddardi

Formica francoeuri

Formica dolosa

formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva

Formica exsectoides

Formica obscuriventris

Formica ulkei

Formica incerta

Formica neogagates

Formica neorufibarbis

Formica subaenescens

Formica gnava

Formica foreliana

Formica canadensis

Formica moki

odontomachus brunneus

Odontomachus relictus

Odontomachus desertorum

Odontomachus clarus

Trachymyrmex septentrionalis

Trachymyrmex arizonensis

[aznphenom]

 

I have permits. It depends if you're transporting native or non native. Native permit is a lot faster and easier. While some people are going on a year for non native.

But do they do inspections often?

 

That depends on your local APHIS office. 

[FinWins]

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 
camponotus castaneus
camponotuspennslvanicus
camponotus subbaratus
camponotus chromaiodes
camponotus texanus
camponotus semitestaceus
camponotus ocreatus
camponotus ca02
camponotus anthrax 
camponotus clarthorax
camponotus essigi
camponotus fragilis
camponotus leavigatus
camponotus leavissmus  
camponotus maritimus
camponotus sansabeanus
camponotus vicinus 
Camponotus dumetorum
camponotus modoc
camponotus nearcticus
camponotus americanus
Dorymyrmex bicolor
Dorymyrmex insanus
Pheidole gilvescens
Pheidole xerophila
pheidole rhea
Pheidole morrisii
Neoponera villosa
Myrmecocystus navajo
Myrmecocystus testaceus
Myrmecocystus yuma
Myrmecocystus kathjuli
Myrmecocystus lugubris
Myrmecocystus creightoni
Myrmecocystus romainei
Myrmecocystus kennedyi
Myrmecocystus placodops
Prenolepis imparis
Novomessor cockerelli
Pogonomyrmex californicus
Pogonomyrmex montanus
Pogonomyrmex rugosus
Pogonomyrmex subnitidus
Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus
Pogonomyrmex maricopa
Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus
pogonomyrmex badius
Pogonomyrmex huachucanus
Pogonomyrmex bicolor
Pogonomyrmex pima
Pogonomyrmex texanus
Pogonomyrmex comanche
Pogonomyrmex desertorum
Solenopsis xyloni
Veromessor pergandei
Veromessor andrei
Veromessor stoddardi
Formica francoeuri
Formica dolosa
formica subsericea
Formica pallidefulva
Formica exsectoides
Formica obscuriventris
Formica ulkei
Formica incerta
Formica neogagates
Formica neorufibarbis
Formica subaenescens
Formica gnava
Formica foreliana
Formica canadensis
Formica moki
odontomachus brunneus
Odontomachus relictus
Odontomachus desertorum
Odontomachus clarus
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis
Trachymyrmex arizonensis

Whoa, so does that mean that you can ship them to other states if you include the other state as part of that permit?

[AntsDakota]

 

 

 

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 
camponotus castaneus
etc.

Whoa, so does that mean that you can ship them to other states if you include the other state as part of that permit?

 

No, you are not allowed to take the organisms off of your property, or the property specified in the permit.

[FinWins]

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 
camponotus castaneus
etc.

Whoa, so does that mean that you can ship them to other states if you include the other state as part of that permit?

No, you are not allowed to take the organisms off of your property, or the property specified in the permit.

So then how are places like antsemporium able to ship ants?

[AntsDakota]

No, you are not allowed to take the organisms off of your property, or the property specified in the permit.

So then how are places like antsemporium able to ship ants?

 

They have a different commercial permit, in which the end goal is to distribute ants, not only receive ants. Conventional PPQ-526 permits specifically prohibit holders from distributing the organisms to anyone else.

Edited by AntsDakota, July 21 2022 - 12:21 PM.

[FinWins]

So I might be moving to Texas in a few years, if I got a PPQ permit in California could I transfer it to Texas if I moved there? What would the process be like?

Edited by FinWins, July 21 2022 - 3:49 PM.

[FloridaAnts]

I think you would have to edit/create entirely new permit for transporting them to Texas. Sounds complicated

Also, you think it would be hard to get commercial permits for transporting Odontomachus to Northern states with conditions they couldn’t withstand? Also, where do you apply for commercial vs. Personal permits?

[FinWins]

I think you would have to edit/create entirely new permit for transporting them to Texas. Sounds complicated
Also, you think it would be hard to get commercial permits for transporting Odontomachus to Northern states with conditions they couldn’t withstand? Also, where do you apply for commercial vs. Personal permits?

I looked in to it some more on the APHIS website a discovered that when you move to a new location you just have get a new permit.
From all the research I’ve done I think that Odontomachus might be one of the easier genera to get a permit for in the northern and western states because it is a low risk genus due to their humidity requirements.
As for a commercial permit, I think that the best way to get answers would be to contact APHIS and ask about it.

[Antkeeper01]

 

 

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 

 

camponotus castaneus

camponotuspennslvanicus

camponotus subbaratus

camponotus chromaiodes

camponotus texanus

camponotus semitestaceus

camponotus ocreatus

camponotus ca02

camponotus anthrax 

camponotus clarthorax

camponotus essigi

camponotus fragilis

camponotus leavigatus

camponotus leavissmus  

camponotus maritimus

camponotus sansabeanus

camponotus vicinus 

Camponotus dumetorum

camponotus modoc

camponotus nearcticus

camponotus americanus

Dorymyrmex bicolor

Dorymyrmex insanus

Pheidole gilvescens

Pheidole xerophila

pheidole rhea

Pheidole morrisii

Neoponera villosa

Myrmecocystus navajo

Myrmecocystus testaceus

Myrmecocystus yuma

Myrmecocystus kathjuli

Myrmecocystus lugubris

Myrmecocystus creightoni

Myrmecocystus romainei

Myrmecocystus kennedyi

Myrmecocystus placodops

Prenolepis imparis

Novomessor cockerelli

Pogonomyrmex californicus

Pogonomyrmex montanus

Pogonomyrmex rugosus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus

Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus

Pogonomyrmex maricopa

Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus

pogonomyrmex badius

Pogonomyrmex huachucanus

Pogonomyrmex bicolor

Pogonomyrmex pima

Pogonomyrmex texanus

Pogonomyrmex comanche

Pogonomyrmex desertorum

Solenopsis xyloni

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Veromessor stoddardi

Formica francoeuri

Formica dolosa

formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva

Formica exsectoides

Formica obscuriventris

Formica ulkei

Formica incerta

Formica neogagates

Formica neorufibarbis

Formica subaenescens

Formica gnava

Formica foreliana

Formica canadensis

Formica moki

odontomachus brunneus

Odontomachus relictus

Odontomachus desertorum

Odontomachus clarus

Trachymyrmex septentrionalis

Trachymyrmex arizonensis

 

some of those will definitely be denied also get ready for an inspection they wanted an inspection for trachymyrmex for me so i don't think you will be any luckier. Also when did you apply?

[FloridaAnts]

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 
camponotus castaneus
camponotuspennslvanicus
camponotus subbaratus
camponotus chromaiodes
camponotus texanus
camponotus semitestaceus
camponotus ocreatus
camponotus ca02
camponotus anthrax 
camponotus clarthorax
camponotus essigi
camponotus fragilis
camponotus leavigatus
camponotus leavissmus  
camponotus maritimus
camponotus sansabeanus
camponotus vicinus 
Camponotus dumetorum
camponotus modoc
camponotus nearcticus
camponotus americanus
Dorymyrmex bicolor
Dorymyrmex insanus
Pheidole gilvescens
Pheidole xerophila
pheidole rhea
Pheidole morrisii
Neoponera villosa
Myrmecocystus navajo
Myrmecocystus testaceus
Myrmecocystus yuma
Myrmecocystus kathjuli
Myrmecocystus lugubris
Myrmecocystus creightoni
Myrmecocystus romainei
Myrmecocystus kennedyi
Myrmecocystus placodops
Prenolepis imparis
Novomessor cockerelli
Pogonomyrmex californicus
Pogonomyrmex montanus
Pogonomyrmex rugosus
Pogonomyrmex subnitidus
Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus
Pogonomyrmex maricopa
Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus
pogonomyrmex badius
Pogonomyrmex huachucanus
Pogonomyrmex bicolor
Pogonomyrmex pima
Pogonomyrmex texanus
Pogonomyrmex comanche
Pogonomyrmex desertorum
Solenopsis xyloni
Veromessor pergandei
Veromessor andrei
Veromessor stoddardi
Formica francoeuri
Formica dolosa
formica subsericea
Formica pallidefulva
Formica exsectoides
Formica obscuriventris
Formica ulkei
Formica incerta
Formica neogagates
Formica neorufibarbis
Formica subaenescens
Formica gnava
Formica foreliana
Formica canadensis
Formica moki
odontomachus brunneus
Odontomachus relictus
Odontomachus desertorum
Odontomachus clarus
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis
Trachymyrmex arizonensis

some of those will definitely be denied also get ready for an inspection they wanted an inspection for trachymyrmex for me so i don't think you will be any luckier. Also when did you apply?

You think it will need an inspection if Trachy is native to me? Considering applying for permit to get them shipped from other peoples

[Antkeeper01]

I doubt if its only for personal use(don't quote me on this) but if resale you probably will need a inspection

[Antkeeper01]

 

 

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 

 

camponotus castaneus

camponotuspennslvanicus

camponotus subbaratus

camponotus chromaiodes

camponotus texanus

camponotus semitestaceus

camponotus ocreatus

camponotus ca02

camponotus anthrax 

camponotus clarthorax

camponotus essigi

camponotus fragilis

camponotus leavigatus

camponotus leavissmus  

camponotus maritimus

camponotus sansabeanus

camponotus vicinus 

Camponotus dumetorum

camponotus modoc

camponotus nearcticus

camponotus americanus

Dorymyrmex bicolor

Dorymyrmex insanus

Pheidole gilvescens

Pheidole xerophila

pheidole rhea

Pheidole morrisii

Neoponera villosa

Myrmecocystus navajo

Myrmecocystus testaceus

Myrmecocystus yuma

Myrmecocystus kathjuli

Myrmecocystus lugubris

Myrmecocystus creightoni

Myrmecocystus romainei

Myrmecocystus kennedyi

Myrmecocystus placodops

Prenolepis imparis

Novomessor cockerelli

Pogonomyrmex californicus

Pogonomyrmex montanus

Pogonomyrmex rugosus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus

Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus

Pogonomyrmex maricopa

Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus

pogonomyrmex badius

Pogonomyrmex huachucanus

Pogonomyrmex bicolor

Pogonomyrmex pima

Pogonomyrmex texanus

Pogonomyrmex comanche

Pogonomyrmex desertorum

Solenopsis xyloni

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Veromessor stoddardi

Formica francoeuri

Formica dolosa

formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva

Formica exsectoides

Formica obscuriventris

Formica ulkei

Formica incerta

Formica neogagates

Formica neorufibarbis

Formica subaenescens

Formica gnava

Formica foreliana

Formica canadensis

Formica moki

odontomachus brunneus

Odontomachus relictus

Odontomachus desertorum

Odontomachus clarus

Trachymyrmex septentrionalis

Trachymyrmex arizonensis

 

 

I would also like to add that my acromyrmex and colobopsis application has been sitting on pending since march and like 20 of the sp on your permit application are non-native