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#1 Offline lazyant - Posted July 2 2022 - 3:36 PM

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OK, so I was coming back from going to ny because mom forgot something, and I found this Queen. It looks Identical to Formica incerta, but to my understanding it is not found on either Cali

or Nevada.... Did I make a novel discovery?

Also do you guys think I can use other Formica sp. brood? Since I believe that they are parasitic.

 

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SO, if this is incerta put it on I naturalist? 

 

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#2 Offline ANTdrew - Posted July 2 2022 - 3:50 PM

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You drove from NY to Nevada?
I think incerta are much lighter colored, but I only know the ones out east here.
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#3 Offline lazyant - Posted July 2 2022 - 3:55 PM

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You drove from NY to Nevada?
I think incerta are much lighter colored, but I only know the ones out east here.

Yeah lol, my parents are insane when it comes to trips. We were in Niagara we drove back to Cali in week. BUT Master Antdrew did I make A novel discovery?


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#4 Offline ANTdrew - Posted July 2 2022 - 4:21 PM

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You need to look for sparse hairs on the propodeum, and it should be a lighter color. Take a look at jplelito’s journal for good photos of his colonies.
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#5 Offline lazyant - Posted July 2 2022 - 4:34 PM

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You need to look for sparse hairs on the propodeum, and it should be a lighter color. Take a look at jplelito’s journal for good photos of his colonies.

Hmm, there is none. But, there is some black coloring on the thorax more near the katepistmum. Any Ideas why?


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#6 Offline ReignofRage - Posted July 2 2022 - 5:43 PM

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F. perpilosa is a possibility.



#7 Offline Manitobant - Posted July 2 2022 - 11:17 PM

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Its definitely a formica species of some kind, but there is no way it’s incerta. Pallidefulva group formica in general are only found in the eastern US.

#8 Offline NickAnter - Posted July 3 2022 - 7:46 AM

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Looks like it could be any number of Formica species, in either neogagates and fusca groups. We'll need good lighting to properly see the pubescence to distinguish between groups. Species will be rather difficult.


Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#9 Offline lazyant - Posted July 3 2022 - 11:33 AM

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Looks like it could be any number of Formica species, in either neogagates and fusca groups. We'll need good lighting to properly see the pubescence to distinguish between groups. Species will be rather difficult.

Sorry Nick, I am in a hotel for the next few weeks so yeah... BUT the upper body is Brick red and Gaster is shiny black. As I have said before, there is some black banding on the thorax area.


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