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How polygynous is Pheidole pilifera

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#1 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 21 2021 - 10:58 AM

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I wanna know how many queens i can stick together until they fight to the death


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#2 Offline KitsAntVa - Posted January 21 2021 - 11:08 AM

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if you rlly wanna know, Around 4 is max before fighting in founding but as soon as workers come ¨long live the queen¨ 

even species that are poly fight with so many queens later along the line, its almost assured.


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#3 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 21 2021 - 12:16 PM

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if you rlly wanna know, Around 4 is max before fighting in founding but as soon as workers come ¨long live the queen¨ 

even species that are poly fight with so many queens later along the line, its almost assured.

ill stick with 1-2 queens to be safe then, I've heard a nearby town called nahant is a good place to look


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#4 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted January 21 2021 - 12:17 PM

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Ph. pilifera aren't polygyne.


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#5 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 21 2021 - 12:22 PM

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Ph. pilifera aren't polygyne.

what an F


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#6 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 21 2021 - 12:23 PM

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https://www.formicul...lifera-journal/

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#7 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted January 21 2021 - 12:28 PM

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Ph. pilifera aren't polygyne.

what an F

 

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Pilifera found through pleometrosis at most. I would keep them separate.
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#9 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted January 22 2021 - 4:15 AM

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if you rlly wanna know, Around 4 is max before fighting in founding but as soon as workers come ¨long live the queen¨ 

even species that are poly fight with so many queens later along the line, its almost assured.

ill stick with 1-2 queens to be safe then, I've heard a nearby town called nahant is a good place to look

 

I know they aren't poly, but this is just general advice for species that are actually poly. Stick with a odd number. That way if the others pair up and fight, you should be left with at least one that isn't dead or injured, unless that one also ends up being targeted.


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#10 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 22 2021 - 5:25 AM

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if you rlly wanna know, Around 4 is max before fighting in founding but as soon as workers come ¨long live the queen¨ 

even species that are poly fight with so many queens later along the line, its almost assured.

ill stick with 1-2 queens to be safe then, I've heard a nearby town called nahant is a good place to look

 

I know they aren't poly, but this is just general advice for species that are actually poly. Stick with a odd number. That way if the others pair up and fight, you should be left with at least one that isn't dead or injured, unless that one also ends up being targeted.

 

Pheidole:  Battle Royale Yeah that makes sense


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#11 Offline MinigunL5 - Posted January 22 2021 - 5:27 AM

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They're not polygynous but they are oligynous(or at least the ones Antkeeper14 caught are) so they can have multiple queens but they will fight each other. So you could have multiple queens if the colony is big enough so that that the queens won't see each other much.. So you could start a colony with 1 queen and add more queens with vinegar as the colony grows.


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Formica subsericea queen with 2 workersLasius aphidicola queens-Camponotus pennsylvanicus queen| Camponotus novaeboracensis queen with ~35 workers10 Solenopsis molesta queens (together) with 5-10 workers| Lasius cf. neoniger queens| Apheonogaster fulva queenBrachymyrmex depilis queen| Myrmica cf. punctiventris queenStenamma brevicorne queen


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They're not polygynous but they are oligynous(or at least the ones Antkeeper14 caught are) so they can have multiple queens but they will fight each other. So you could have multiple queens if the colony is big enough so that that the queens won't see each other much.. So you could start a colony with 1 queen and add more queens with vinegar as the colony grows.

k cool that seems to complicated just to have a multi queen colony xD


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#13 Offline MinigunL5 - Posted January 22 2021 - 5:48 AM

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They're not polygynous but they are oligynous(or at least the ones Antkeeper14 caught are) so they can have multiple queens but they will fight each other. So you could have multiple queens if the colony is big enough so that that the queens won't see each other much.. So you could start a colony with 1 queen and add more queens with vinegar as the colony grows.

k cool that seems to complicated just to have a multi queen colony xD

 

It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.


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ANTS I KEEP:

Formica subsericea queen with 2 workersLasius aphidicola queens-Camponotus pennsylvanicus queen| Camponotus novaeboracensis queen with ~35 workers10 Solenopsis molesta queens (together) with 5-10 workers| Lasius cf. neoniger queens| Apheonogaster fulva queenBrachymyrmex depilis queen| Myrmica cf. punctiventris queenStenamma brevicorne queen


#14 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 22 2021 - 5:50 AM

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They're not polygynous but they are oligynous(or at least the ones Antkeeper14 caught are) so they can have multiple queens but they will fight each other. So you could have multiple queens if the colony is big enough so that that the queens won't see each other much.. So you could start a colony with 1 queen and add more queens with vinegar as the colony grows.

k cool that seems to complicated just to have a multi queen colony xD

 

It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.

 

aight ill try to start a colony this year, then next year or the year after that catch some more queens to add via stanky liquid


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#15 Offline MinigunL5 - Posted January 22 2021 - 5:54 AM

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They're not polygynous but they are oligynous(or at least the ones Antkeeper14 caught are) so they can have multiple queens but they will fight each other. So you could have multiple queens if the colony is big enough so that that the queens won't see each other much.. So you could start a colony with 1 queen and add more queens with vinegar as the colony grows.

k cool that seems to complicated just to have a multi queen colony xD

 

It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.

 

aight ill try to start a colony this year, then next year or the year after that catch some more queens to add via stanky liquid

 

I will also try it. And hopefully, since we live in the same state as Antkeeper14, our pilifera will be oligynous to.


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ANTS I KEEP:

Formica subsericea queen with 2 workersLasius aphidicola queens-Camponotus pennsylvanicus queen| Camponotus novaeboracensis queen with ~35 workers10 Solenopsis molesta queens (together) with 5-10 workers| Lasius cf. neoniger queens| Apheonogaster fulva queenBrachymyrmex depilis queen| Myrmica cf. punctiventris queenStenamma brevicorne queen


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They're not polygynous but they are oligynous(or at least the ones Antkeeper14 caught are) so they can have multiple queens but they will fight each other. So you could have multiple queens if the colony is big enough so that that the queens won't see each other much.. So you could start a colony with 1 queen and add more queens with vinegar as the colony grows.

k cool that seems to complicated just to have a multi queen colony xD

 

It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.

 

aight ill try to start a colony this year, then next year or the year after that catch some more queens to add via stanky liquid

 

I will also try it. And hopefully, since we live in the same state as Antkeeper14, our pilifera will be oligynous to.

 

In order for oligyne to work, you need a larger space than just a test tube. Oligyne means that the workers will tolerate multiple queens, yet the queens will not tolerate each other, and thus the workers deliberately separate the queens into their own chambers to keep them from killing each other. So thus to keep an oligynous colony you need a multi-chambered nest.


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#17 Offline Chickalo - Posted January 22 2021 - 6:09 AM

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They're not polygynous but they are oligynous(or at least the ones Antkeeper14 caught are) so they can have multiple queens but they will fight each other. So you could have multiple queens if the colony is big enough so that that the queens won't see each other much.. So you could start a colony with 1 queen and add more queens with vinegar as the colony grows.

k cool that seems to complicated just to have a multi queen colony xD

 

It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.

 

aight ill try to start a colony this year, then next year or the year after that catch some more queens to add via stanky liquid

 

I will also try it. And hopefully, since we live in the same state as Antkeeper14, our pilifera will be oligynous to.

 

yeah, I've heard nahant is a good place for pheidole if you guys wanna go there this summer to hunt for them


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In order for oligyne to work, you need a larger space than just a test tube. Oligyne means that the workers will tolerate multiple queens, yet the queens will not tolerate each other, and thus the workers deliberately separate the queens into their own chambers to keep them from killing each other. So thus to keep an oligynous colony you need a multi-chambered nest.

 

I will also try it. And hopefully, since we live in the same state as Antkeeper14, our pilifera will be oligynous to.

 

aight ill try to start a colony this year, then next year or the year after that catch some more queens to add via stanky liquid

 

It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.

i knew there would come a time where i could use my ac test tube portals!!!!!!


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It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.

 

 

 

 

 

aight ill try to start a colony this year, then next year or the year after that catch some more queens to add via stanky liquid

 

I will also try it. And hopefully, since we live in the same state as Antkeeper14, our pilifera will be oligynous to.

 

yeah, I've heard nahant is a good place for pheidole if you guys wanna go there this summer to hunt for them

 

I've already found some open places near me that might have Pheidole using soil maps but if they're not there I'll definitely check it out  (y)


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Formica subsericea queen with 2 workersLasius aphidicola queens-Camponotus pennsylvanicus queen| Camponotus novaeboracensis queen with ~35 workers10 Solenopsis molesta queens (together) with 5-10 workers| Lasius cf. neoniger queens| Apheonogaster fulva queenBrachymyrmex depilis queen| Myrmica cf. punctiventris queenStenamma brevicorne queen


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It's not that complicated really. You just need some white vinegar, a big colony of Pheidole pilifera and a other P. pilifera queens.

 

 

 

 

 

aight ill try to start a colony this year, then next year or the year after that catch some more queens to add via stanky liquid

 

I will also try it. And hopefully, since we live in the same state as Antkeeper14, our pilifera will be oligynous to.

 

yeah, I've heard nahant is a good place for pheidole if you guys wanna go there this summer to hunt for them

 

I've already found some open places near me that might have Pheidole using soil maps but if they're not there I'll definitely check it out  (y)

 

this is gonna but can you tell me where that is?  if you don't its pretty understandable because you don't wanna leak where you live, but i really want pheidole, so if it ends up a pheidole-hotspot pls tell me lmao


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