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[dspdrew]

This would also apply to the "Market Place" and "Off-Topic Journals" subforums. The "Ant Journals", "Off-Topic Journals", and "Market Place" subforums would be the ONLY place that the topic author/OP would be able to request to have posts removed. For posts to be removed anywhere else, they would have to either be breaking the rules, duplicate content, or requested by the author/OP of the post in question.

[dean_k]

I voted no.

 

While it would be nice to have more powers, I feel it could easily be abused when someone is having a really bad day. We have mods and you, so they should have something to do.

[dspdrew]

Maybe I need to rephrase the question. I wasn't talking about giving members the ability to do this, but allowing them to request to have posts removed from their journal.

 

Edit: Actually my post already says that, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I will change the question though.

Edited by dspdrew, May 12 2015 - 12:47 PM.

[dean_k]

I was under impression that thread starter would be given the power to delete posts within his thread without consulting mods or admin.

 

If not, I'd have voted yes.

[Crystals]

I was under impression that thread starter would be given the power to delete posts within his thread without consulting mods or admin.

Glad I wasn't the only who mis-read that title! 

[Miles]

Absolutely. We saw a good example of this issue this morning, which is what I assume sparked this conversation. When someone posts something intentionally inflammatory and incorrect, their post should be removed, per rule #6. We seem to have a particular issue with following that rule.

Edited by Miles, May 12 2015 - 1:26 PM.

[drtrmiller]

Absolutely. We saw a good example of this issue this morning, which is what I assume sparked this conversation. When someone posts something intentionally inflammatory and incorrect, their post should be removed, per rule #6. We seem to have a particular issue with following that rule.

 

Oh callow grasshopper.  Not sure what you found false or misleading.

 

Are you asking for a thread dedicated to the debate of the factual accuracy of claims made?

 

I discussed this weeks ago with the owner of THA, and thought we were on the same page internally.  I was not made aware that one or more units had shipped to customers until pictures were posted.

 

Democracy in action!

Edited by drtrmiller, May 12 2015 - 1:39 PM.

[cpman]

I voted yes because discussion is good, but it can get off topic really fast. Personally, I don't care one way or another very strongly.

[PTAntFan]

is there a way to delete the post but send a copy to the poster? I realized reading your Socal Anting post this afternoon that I may have hijacked your thread unintentionally. I don't think that thread is a journal per se but just so, I can totally understand an author wanting to delete something and I can also understand a poster wanting a copy of their post(s).

[dspdrew]

Keep in mind this only applies to Journals and other personal threads, like Market Place listings/topics. As for all other subforums, a post won't be removed unless it is requested by the OP (of the post in question) or it breaks the rules. To allow this anywhere else would completely defeat the purpose of a forum.

[drtrmiller]

Keep in mind this only applies to Journals and other personal threads, like Market Place listings/topics. As for all other subforums, a post won't be removed unless it is requested by the OP (of the post in question) or it breaks the rules. To allow this anywhere else would completely defeat the purpose of a forum.

 

I think you misspoke.  You were 99.9% there—

 

"To allow [deleting posts] anywhere else would completely defeat the purpose of a forum."

Edited by drtrmiller, May 12 2015 - 2:34 PM.

[dspdrew]

is there a way to delete the post but send a copy to the poster? I realized reading your Socal Anting post this afternoon that I may have hijacked your thread unintentionally. I don't think that thread is a journal per se but just so, I can totally understand an author wanting to delete something and I can also understand a poster wanting a copy of their post(s).

 

At this point, Moderators and Admins are the only ones who can remove a post. Personally I don't care too much about what gets posted on my own topics. I think your posts on my Socal Anting thread are close enough to the topic that I see no problem with them being there. There was only one time that it got out of hand, a long time ago with Alza complaining on my GAN seller thread, and even then I didn't want any of it removed. Instead I moved it to a new thread where he could complain untill his heart's content.

[dspdrew]

 

Keep in mind this only applies to Journals and other personal threads, like Market Place listings/topics. As for all other subforums, a post won't be removed unless it is requested by the OP (of the post in question) or it breaks the rules. To allow this anywhere else would completely defeat the purpose of a forum.

 

I think you misspoke.  You were 99.9% there—

 

"To allow [deleting posts] anywhere else would completely defeat the purpose of a forum."

 

 

Then don't consider Journals and Market Place listings part of the forum. Just think of them as Journals and classified listings with comments should the OP decide he wants them.

[drtrmiller]

Assuming the behaviour was repetitive and unwarranted, isn't your above example more a case of spam classification?

 

What you're proposing in this poll is, if Mikey doesn't like Chance, and Chance posts on Mikey's journal, Mikey can ask that Chance's post be removed for violating no rule whatsoever, and you would be obligated to remove it.  In this case, why not make it so that the OP is the only one who can post to his or her own topic—instead of giving each OP the ability to define what the rules are for their own topics?

 

People won't always agree, and some posts may offend some.  Does this mean that the OP should be able to dictate rules as to what they find personally objectionable?  Wouldn't they be better starting their own website or forum, where no one can post but them?

 

Being part of a community like this means interacting with people who don't always share your point of view—and giving everyone the ability to censor other community members on an arbitrary basis with no rational basis for review, especially when there are kids on this forum, is like allowing a child to make up his or her own rules, so long as they stay in their room.

Edited by drtrmiller, May 12 2015 - 2:49 PM.

[cpman]

Assuming the behaviour was repetitive and unwarranted, isn't your above example more a case of spam classification?

 

What you're proposing in this poll is, if Mikey doesn't like Chance, and Chance posts on Mikey's journal, Mikey can ask that Chance's post be removed for violating no rule whatsoever, and you would be obligated to remove it.  In this case, why not make it so that the OP is the only one who can post to his or her own topic—instead of giving each OP the ability to define what the rules are for their own topics?

 

People won't always agree, and some posts may offend some.  Does this mean that the OP should be able to dictate rules as to what they find personally objectionable?  Wouldn't they be better starting their own website or forum, where no one can post but them?

 

Being part of a community like this means interacting with people who don't always share your point of view—and giving everyone the ability to censor other community members on an arbitrary basis with no rational basis for review, especially when there are kids on this forum, is like allowing a child to make up his or her own rules, so long as they stay in their room.

 

I do agree with this a lot. The idea of making journals where only the OP can post is used in at least one ant forum that I am a member of (www.lamarabunta.org -- it is a Spanish language one). Personally, I think that their method of keeping a subforum for comments on journals and a subforum just for journals is a bit cluttersome. Everyone should be able to discuss in a forum.

Edited by cpman, May 12 2015 - 3:33 PM.

[dspdrew]

People won't always agree, and some posts may offend some.  Does this mean that the OP should be able to dictate rules as to what they find personally objectionable?  Wouldn't they be better starting their own website or forum, where no one can post but them?

 

Being part of a community like this means interacting with people who don't always share your point of view—and giving everyone the ability to censor other community members on an arbitrary basis with no rational basis for review, especially when there are kids on this forum, is like allowing a child to make up his or her own rules, so long as they stay in their room.

 

You think I don't agree with all of this?

 

What I am proposing only pertains to the specific subforums. These are subforums for things that normally wouldn't even have any discussion. Think of these specific subforums like a Youtube video; the OP has control over what comments are posted.

[Miles]

The owner of a journal or market place topic should have the discretion as to what comments they allow on it. If they are offended or find a comment to be irrelevant or distasteful, they should be able to ask for it to be removed. It degrades the quality of their personal topic.

 

I don't however, support such discretion in more open waters, e.g. the rest of the forum. 

[drtrmiller]

[Comments OP's disagree with] degrade the quality of their personal topic.

 

As if the same couldn't be said of every topic on every forum.  Hope you study up a bit more before taking the LSAT.

[Tspivey16]

Perhaps one should study experts in this arena - i.e. Facebook. They give posters the ability to remove any subpost on their topic.

 

Personally, I don't understand the resistance in being able to remove something one perceives as taking away from their topic, why is there such a drive to be able to post such things regardless of the orginal poster's intent.

[dspdrew]

Perhaps one should study experts in this arena - i.e. Facebook.

 

Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook is the last place I would go to get ideas on how to run a forum.

 

 

Personally, I don't understand the resistance in being able to remove something one perceives as taking away from their topic, why is there such a drive to be able to post such things regardless of the orginal poster's intent.

 

Free speech, and open discussion.