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#1 Offline Patorikku - Posted June 1 2020 - 10:43 AM

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Pretty sure she is a Camponotus, but I’m not sure if the specific species. She’s almost as big as my C. pennsylvanicus. Queen, but her coloration is different. Is she a C. Americanus?
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1. Location of collection: Verona, MS
2. Date of collection: 06/01/2020
3. Habitat of collection: Inside Log
4. Length: 1+ inch
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: Black and Rusty Brown/Orange
6. Distinguishing characteristics: Orange looking legs
7. Distinguishing behavior: Wood worker
8. Nest description: Inside Log
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#2 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted June 1 2020 - 10:47 AM

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Looks like Camponotus chromaiodes.


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#3 Offline AntsDakota - Posted June 1 2020 - 10:49 AM

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I believe C. americanus queens are larger than pennsylvanicus.

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#4 Offline VoidElecent - Posted June 1 2020 - 10:59 AM

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I really want to say Campontous herculeanus, but since this is in Mississippi, I second Camponotus chromaiodes. Also, every C. chromaiodes queen I have caught has been slightly smaller than C. pennsylvanicus.

 

If you could get clearer photos, that would help. While color is not an effective identifier, I will say the first few gastric tergides of C. chrimaoides tend to be slightly reddish in my experience


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#5 Offline Patorikku - Posted June 1 2020 - 11:47 AM

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I really want to say Campontous herculeanus, but since this is in Mississippi, I second Camponotus chromaiodes. Also, every C. chromaiodes queen I have caught has been slightly smaller than C. pennsylvanicus.

If you could get clearer photos, that would help. While color is not an effective identifier, I will say the first few gastric tergides of C. chrimaoides tend to be slightly reddish in my experience


I’m having others on other platforms tell me that the reddish legs are a dead giveaway that it is C. Modoc.


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#6 Offline rcbuggy88 - Posted June 1 2020 - 12:43 PM

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Modoc have a matte color to them, also your pictures probably are not clear enough. Aside from that it probably is some sort of camponotus as said above.

Edit: it looks like your photos are focused further back on the container or finger, maybe hold the phone slightly further back?

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#7 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 1 2020 - 1:17 PM

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C. modoc is not present that far east. It kind of irks me when people continually suggest IDs of species that are not present in the state, or in adjacent states. No offense meant, but I had to say that.

 

I think it is pretty safe to say this is chromaiodes.


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 Solenopsis "plebeius", Camponotus maritimus, Formica cf. subaenescens, Formica cf. aerata, Lasius cf. americanus, Lasius aphidicola, Lasius brevicornis, Lasius nr claviger, Nylanderia vividula, Temnothorax nevadensis, Temnothorax chandleri, Temnothorax arboreus Solenopsis validiuscula, Solenopsis truncorum, Solenopsis xyloni, Formica perpilosa, Formica cf. lasiodes, Formica cf. neogagates Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex salinus, and Myrmecocystus testaceus!!!!

 

Hoping to find this year:

Myrmecocystus, Liometopum occidentale, Camponotus essigi, Camponotus fragilis, Manica bradleyi, Formica perpilosa, Pheidole hyatti, and a Parasitic Formica sp.

 

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#8 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted June 1 2020 - 2:47 PM

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Definitely Camponotus chromaiodes.


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#9 Offline rcbuggy88 - Posted June 1 2020 - 2:48 PM

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C. modoc is not present that far east. It kind of irks me when people continually suggest IDs of species that are not present in the state, or in adjacent states. No offense meant, but I had to say that.

 

I think it is pretty safe to say this is chromaiodes.

Were you referring to me or when he said "people on other platforms?" I don't think I suggested it was and pointed that modocs are matte and his pictures show the queen to be somewhat glossy. 


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#10 Offline Patorikku - Posted June 1 2020 - 4:04 PM

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I really want to say Campontous herculeanus, but since this is in Mississippi, I second Camponotus chromaiodes. Also, every C. chromaiodes queen I have caught has been slightly smaller than C. pennsylvanicus.

If you could get clearer photos, that would help. While color is not an effective identifier, I will say the first few gastric tergides of C. chrimaoides tend to be slightly reddish in my experience

Could you explain what the “gastric tergides” are? I googled that and the only reference for that actual term that popped up was your actual comment. Kind of funny, actually.


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#11 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 1 2020 - 5:15 PM

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C. modoc is not present that far east. It kind of irks me when people continually suggest IDs of species that are not present in the state, or in adjacent states. No offense meant, but I had to say that.

 

I think it is pretty safe to say this is chromaiodes.

Were you referring to me or when he said "people on other platforms?" I don't think I suggested it was and pointed that modocs are matte and his pictures show the queen to be somewhat glossy. 

 

No, the people on other platform.


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Species being kept:

 

 Solenopsis "plebeius", Camponotus maritimus, Formica cf. subaenescens, Formica cf. aerata, Lasius cf. americanus, Lasius aphidicola, Lasius brevicornis, Lasius nr claviger, Nylanderia vividula, Temnothorax nevadensis, Temnothorax chandleri, Temnothorax arboreus Solenopsis validiuscula, Solenopsis truncorum, Solenopsis xyloni, Formica perpilosa, Formica cf. lasiodes, Formica cf. neogagates Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex salinus, and Myrmecocystus testaceus!!!!

 

Hoping to find this year:

Myrmecocystus, Liometopum occidentale, Camponotus essigi, Camponotus fragilis, Manica bradleyi, Formica perpilosa, Pheidole hyatti, and a Parasitic Formica sp.

 

People are stupid. It explains a lot...


#12 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted June 1 2020 - 5:23 PM

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I really want to say Campontous herculeanus, but since this is in Mississippi, I second Camponotus chromaiodes. Also, every C. chromaiodes queen I have caught has been slightly smaller than C. pennsylvanicus.
If you could get clearer photos, that would help. While color is not an effective identifier, I will say the first few gastric tergides of C. chrimaoides tend to be slightly reddish in my experience

Could you explain what the “gastric tergides” are? I googled that and the only reference for that actual term that popped up was your actual comment. Kind of funny, actually.
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The tergites are the segments of the abdomen.

#13 Offline rcbuggy88 - Posted June 1 2020 - 7:12 PM

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No, the people on other platform.

 

 

 

 

 

Cool I'm not very experienced so I try not to sound conclusive but be more broad in my answers.  (y)


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#14 Offline VoidElecent - Posted June 1 2020 - 7:51 PM

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I really want to say Campontous herculeanus, but since this is in Mississippi, I second Camponotus chromaiodes. Also, every C. chromaiodes queen I have caught has been slightly smaller than C. pennsylvanicus.
If you could get clearer photos, that would help. While color is not an effective identifier, I will say the first few gastric tergides of C. chrimaoides tend to be slightly reddish in my experience

Could you explain what the “gastric tergides” are? I googled that and the only reference for that actual term that popped up was your actual comment. Kind of funny, actually.
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The tergites are the segments of the abdomen.

 

 

Yeah, I meant tergites*


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