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#1 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 8 2020 - 5:58 PM

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I think a lot of people new to antkeeping and myrmecology (including me!) have a hard time differentiating between extremely similar species, genera, or even subfamilies. So here's where anyone can post the differences between them. I'd really appreciate this and i'm sure many other people would too.

 

Here's a good one I know of for differentiating between Camponotus and Formica (most of the time). The mesasoma of Camponotus is evenly convex (curved, sort of like a hill), whereas in Formica, the mesasoma is indented in the middle (between the mesonotum and the propodeum)

 

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Also, if anyone knows of any readily noticeable differences beteween Formicines and Dolichoderines, please share.

 


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#2 Offline Canadian anter - Posted January 8 2020 - 6:46 PM

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Formicines have an acidopore, which is a small ring of hairs at the end of the gaster

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A bit of a more advanced one, but I've figured out how to tell the difference between Aphaenogaster carolinensis and Aphaenogaster miamiana. In A. miamiana, the propodeal spines in dorsal view curve inwards slightly, while in A. carolinensis the are completely straight.

 

Strumigenys silvestrii can be told apart from S. louisianae by its lighter coloration, smaller eye (and smaller body in general), thinner mandibles, and a small 'tooth' that is located nearly halfway up each mandible on the interior.

 

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#4 Offline AntsDakota - Posted January 9 2020 - 2:59 PM

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I honestly don't get how people think all ants look the same except for coloration. I try to describe the basic Formicinae, Myrmicinae, and Ponerinae shapes to them, but it's just difficult. It's just the way they are, with those obvious shapes!


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#5 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 9 2020 - 3:02 PM

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You can tell Myrmica an Myrmecina apart by looking at the petiole (not postpetiole, for reference). In Myrmica, the petiole has a large petiolar node attached to the propodeum by a peduncle, whereas in Myrmecina, the petiole is more tubular (sometimes with a little bump)


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You can tell Myrmica an Myrmecina apart by looking at the petiole (not postpetiole, for reference). In Myrmica, the petiole has a large petiolar node attached to the propodeum by a peduncle, whereas in Myrmecina, the petiole is more tubular (sometimes with a little bump)

myrmecina is easy to tell apart. Small, squat, cryptic, and slow.



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Given someone sold me what I (and a couple others) think is a Tetramorium queen that their friends told them was Veromessor pergandei (definitely not), yeah, I really like the graphical "n00bs look at THIS" kind of thing.


Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus, vicinus, quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and previously californicus

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


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Given someone sold me what I (and a couple others) think is a Tetramorium queen that their friends told them was Veromessor pergandei (definitely not), yeah, I really like the graphical "n00bs look at THIS" kind of thing.

How does someone confuse Tetramorium with Veromessor...



#9 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted January 12 2020 - 12:28 PM

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Given someone sold me what I (and a couple others) think is a Tetramorium queen that their friends told them was Veromessor pergandei (definitely not), yeah, I really like the graphical "n00bs look at THIS" kind of thing.

How does someone confuse Tetramorium with Veromessor...

 

 

To be fair, when I compare the queens they do look superficially similar. Roughly the same size, same color, approximate same shape - but that's just a quick glance and I'm a n00b. The workers really look nothing alike though.


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Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus, vicinus, quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and previously californicus

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


#10 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 12 2020 - 3:07 PM

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Given someone sold me what I (and a couple others) think is a Tetramorium queen that their friends told them was Veromessor pergandei (definitely not), yeah, I really like the graphical "n00bs look at THIS" kind of thing.

How does someone confuse Tetramorium with Veromessor...

 

 

To be fair, when I compare the queens they do look superficially similar. Roughly the same size, same color, approximate same shape - but that's just a quick glance and I'm a n00b. The workers really look nothing alike though.

 

Veromessor queens are very leggy and light. Look almost semi claustral. Tetra queens are actually usually very small and light, being semi claustral. Low to the ground and stubby. Common exception is T. immigrans, being much larger and bulkier. Easy to distinguish because of body proportions. Vero queens look like large workers. T. immigrans look like big pheidole with tiny heads. However, V. pergandei is very smooth and shiny. T. immigrans is sculptured and dull.



#11 Offline AntsDakota - Posted January 12 2020 - 4:00 PM

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Given someone sold me what I (and a couple others) think is a Tetramorium queen that their friends told them was Veromessor pergandei (definitely not), yeah, I really like the graphical "n00bs look at THIS" kind of thing.

How does someone confuse Tetramorium with Veromessor...

 

 

To be fair, when I compare the queens they do look superficially similar. Roughly the same size, same color, approximate same shape - but that's just a quick glance and I'm a n00b. The workers really look nothing alike though.

 

 Tetra queens are actually usually very small and light, being semi claustral.

I thought most common species of Tetramorium  in the U.S. were fully claustral.


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One’s your parent’s sister, and the other lives with her sisters.
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#13 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 12 2020 - 5:58 PM

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Given someone sold me what I (and a couple others) think is a Tetramorium queen that their friends told them was Veromessor pergandei (definitely not), yeah, I really like the graphical "n00bs look at THIS" kind of thing.

How does someone confuse Tetramorium with Veromessor...

 

 

To be fair, when I compare the queens they do look superficially similar. Roughly the same size, same color, approximate same shape - but that's just a quick glance and I'm a n00b. The workers really look nothing alike though.

 

 Tetra queens are actually usually very small and light, being semi claustral.

I thought most common species of Tetramorium  in the U.S. were fully claustral.

 

Tetramorium in general, and a few in the US.



#14 Offline AntsDakota - Posted January 13 2020 - 4:29 PM

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One’s your parent’s sister, and the other lives with her sisters.

:thinking:


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#15 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 24 2020 - 2:46 PM

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Can anyone give some tips for differentiating between Nylanderia and Lasius? Thanks in advance.

 

EDIT: Actually, I have a few thing to add to my order...

 

Aphaeonogaster / Other similar myrmicines

 

A side of fries and a milkshake


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Can anyone give some tips for differentiating between Nylanderia and Lasius? Thanks in advance.

 

EDIT: Actually, I have a few thing to add to my order...

 

Aphaeonogaster / Other similar myrmicines

 

A side of fries and a milkshake

Lasius have velvety hairs if any, nylanderia have sparse, stiff hairs.



#17 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 24 2020 - 4:53 PM

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Aphaenogaster are often differentiated by size compared to Pheidole, and cannot really be confused with any other genera, but a better way to tell is to look at the neck. Aphaenogaster have noticeable necks, Pheidole heads directly attach to the thorax.



#18 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 24 2020 - 5:14 PM

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Aphaenogaster are often differentiated by size compared to Pheidole, and cannot really be confused with any other genera, but a better way to tell is to look at the neck. Aphaenogaster have noticeable necks, Pheidole heads directly attach to the thorax.

How about Ahaenogaster/Myrmica?



#19 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted January 24 2020 - 5:27 PM

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Nylanderia has a very pronounced mesosomal constriction just behind the pronotum. In addition to that, as ponerinecat stated, Nylanderia workers have very long, stiff hairs on most of the body, but most noticeably on the pronotal dorsum and surface of the head, while Lasius has shorter, more broadly distributed hairs (though some Nylanderia have dense pubescence as well), giving them a velvety appearance in some species, especially in some of the darker colored species like L. neoniger and americanus.

 

Aphaenogaster workers are often larger that Pheidole, but in some cases, this is not the best way to distinguish the genera. The best way to distinguish the genera is by looking at the antenna. In Pheidole, a distinct 3-4 segmented antennal club can be seen, while this feature is lacking in Aphaenogaster. If a colony is available, Pheidole always have a dimorphic (rarely trimorphic) worker caste, while most Aphaenogaster are monomorphic, occasionally polymorphic with slight size differences between the workers.

 

Aphaenogaster can be easily distinguished from Myrmica by their 'saddle-backed' mesosoma, while Myrmica has a flat-backed mesosoma, occasionally with a mesosomal groove. Myrmica are also heavily sculptured throughout, while the sculpturing seen in Aphaenogaster is often restricted to the head, although Aphaenogaster often display granulate sculpturing on their mesosomas, and other species have striations radiating out from the postpetiole connection point on gastral tergite I. Such a structure can be seen in A. mariae, though these striations are often difficult to see.


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#20 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 24 2020 - 5:33 PM

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Nylanderia has a very pronounced mesosomal constriction just behind the pronotum. In addition to that, as ponerinecat stated, Nylanderia workers have very long, stiff hairs on most of the body, but most noticeably on the pronotal dorsum and surface of the head, while Lasius has shorter, more broadly distributed hairs (though some Nylanderia have dense pubescence as well), giving them a velvety appearance in some species, especially in some of the darker colored species like L. neoniger and americanus.

 

Aphaenogaster workers are often larger that Pheidole, but in some cases, this is not the best way to distinguish the genera. The best way to distinguish the genera is by looking at the antenna. In Pheidole, a distinct 3-4 segmented antennal club can be seen, while this feature is lacking in Aphaenogaster. If a colony is available, Pheidole always have a dimorphic (rarely trimorphic) worker caste, while most Aphaenogaster are monomorphic, occasionally polymorphic with slight size differences between the workers.

 

Aphaenogaster can be easily distinguished from Myrmica by their 'saddle-backed' mesosoma, while Myrmica has a flat-backed mesosoma, occasionally with a mesosomal groove. Myrmica are also heavily sculptured throughout, while the sculpturing seen in Aphaenogaster is often restricted to the head, although Aphaenogaster often display granulate sculpturing on their mesosomas, and other species have striations radiating out from the postpetiole connection point on gastral tergite I. Such a structure can be seen in A. mariae, though these striations are often difficult to see.

Wow, i actually understood all the anatomical terms. Thanks for the detailed response


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