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Cephalotes Ssp. Good for beginners?


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#1 Offline DrygonKing - Posted June 13 2018 - 8:13 AM

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I am interested in getting a Cephalotes sp. ant colony but was wondering the difficulty of this species.
Current Queens:
Formica sp (Parasitic) (1)
Formica argentea (3)
Myrmica sp (2) (all have workers!)
Lasius subumbratus (1)

Queens I Have Found:
Lasius alienus
Lasius subumbratus
Formica podzolica
Formica argentea
Formica (parasitic)
Camponotus sp.
Myrmica sp.


Queens currently looking for:
Formica fusca
Lasius neoniger


Queens once more experienced:
Carebara diversa
Myrmecocystus
Odontomachus Sp.

#2 Offline LC3 - Posted June 13 2018 - 10:10 AM

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Cephalotes isn’t found in Canada so not sure how you’re going to obtain them, that being said it seems like a pretty difficult species.
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#3 Offline rbarreto - Posted June 13 2018 - 10:56 AM

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I'm also interested in hearing about this Canadian Cephalotes sp.  ;) 

 

*EDIT* This was sarcasm.


Edited by rbarreto, June 13 2018 - 1:14 PM.

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My journal featuring:

Aphaenogaster picea

Lasius claviger

Lasius umbratus

Lasius sp. (black workers)

Lasius sp. (yellow/orange workers)

Formica pallidefulva (northern color form)

Prenolepis imparis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus novaeboracensis

Temnothorax cf. curvispinosus

Tetramorium immigrans ( 2 polygynous, 1 monogynous)

 


#4 Offline DrygonKing - Posted June 13 2018 - 11:09 AM

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I was going to ship them. I was just wondering so I could know wether to get them now or later.
Current Queens:
Formica sp (Parasitic) (1)
Formica argentea (3)
Myrmica sp (2) (all have workers!)
Lasius subumbratus (1)

Queens I Have Found:
Lasius alienus
Lasius subumbratus
Formica podzolica
Formica argentea
Formica (parasitic)
Camponotus sp.
Myrmica sp.


Queens currently looking for:
Formica fusca
Lasius neoniger


Queens once more experienced:
Carebara diversa
Myrmecocystus
Odontomachus Sp.

#5 Offline LC3 - Posted June 13 2018 - 12:23 PM

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That would be against the law unless you have a permit, and probably still against the law from wherever they’re coming from unless the seller also has a permit.

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#6 Offline rbarreto - Posted June 13 2018 - 1:12 PM

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I noticed in your signature you mention that you want to keep Carebara diversa, Myrmecocystus, and Odontomachus. Unfortunately what LC3 said applies to these species as well and unless you plan on moving or somehow acquire a permit you will not be able to keep these species.


My journal featuring:

Aphaenogaster picea

Lasius claviger

Lasius umbratus

Lasius sp. (black workers)

Lasius sp. (yellow/orange workers)

Formica pallidefulva (northern color form)

Prenolepis imparis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus novaeboracensis

Temnothorax cf. curvispinosus

Tetramorium immigrans ( 2 polygynous, 1 monogynous)

 


#7 Offline DrygonKing - Posted June 13 2018 - 1:45 PM

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It is legal for me to ship them from England or Australia as long as I’m in canada and they are not considered a pest and I don’t like walk up to the police say I’m shipping ants into Canada. From what I heard it’s one of those grey zones that as long as you don't ask they don’t care. ;) same with keeping chickens in my area. They are not actively hunting chicken keepers but if you where to ask them or a neighbor complained then they would have to do something.

Edited by DrygonKing, June 13 2018 - 1:50 PM.

Current Queens:
Formica sp (Parasitic) (1)
Formica argentea (3)
Myrmica sp (2) (all have workers!)
Lasius subumbratus (1)

Queens I Have Found:
Lasius alienus
Lasius subumbratus
Formica podzolica
Formica argentea
Formica (parasitic)
Camponotus sp.
Myrmica sp.


Queens currently looking for:
Formica fusca
Lasius neoniger


Queens once more experienced:
Carebara diversa
Myrmecocystus
Odontomachus Sp.

#8 Offline gcsnelling - Posted June 13 2018 - 2:45 PM

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One of the worst beginner species.


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#9 Offline rbarreto - Posted June 13 2018 - 2:46 PM

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It is legal for me to ship them from England or Australia as long as I’m in canada and they are not considered a pest and I don’t like walk up to the police say I’m shipping ants into Canada. From what I heard it’s one of those grey zones that as long as you don't ask they don’t care. ;) same with keeping chickens in my area. They are not actively hunting chicken keepers but if you where to ask them or a neighbor complained then they would have to do something.

Good luck with that.........


Edited by rbarreto, June 13 2018 - 2:52 PM.

My journal featuring:

Aphaenogaster picea

Lasius claviger

Lasius umbratus

Lasius sp. (black workers)

Lasius sp. (yellow/orange workers)

Formica pallidefulva (northern color form)

Prenolepis imparis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus novaeboracensis

Temnothorax cf. curvispinosus

Tetramorium immigrans ( 2 polygynous, 1 monogynous)

 


#10 Offline DrygonKing - Posted June 13 2018 - 4:34 PM

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It is legal for me to ship them from England or Australia as long as I’m in canada and they are not considered a pest and I don’t like walk up to the police say I’m shipping ants into Canada. From what I heard it’s one of those grey zones that as long as you don't ask they don’t care. ;) same with keeping chickens in my area. They are not actively hunting chicken keepers but if you where to ask them or a neighbor complained then they would have to do something.

Good luck with that.........
You sound sceptical. It’s not California over here. We are sooooo much more chill. And aren’t slapping warning signs on everything. I can legally ship a queen ant from anywhere in Canada and from England and I’m not sure but I am 99.999999% sure Australia to

One of the worst beginner species.


Ok thanks for the info
Current Queens:
Formica sp (Parasitic) (1)
Formica argentea (3)
Myrmica sp (2) (all have workers!)
Lasius subumbratus (1)

Queens I Have Found:
Lasius alienus
Lasius subumbratus
Formica podzolica
Formica argentea
Formica (parasitic)
Camponotus sp.
Myrmica sp.


Queens currently looking for:
Formica fusca
Lasius neoniger


Queens once more experienced:
Carebara diversa
Myrmecocystus
Odontomachus Sp.

#11 Offline gcsnelling - Posted June 13 2018 - 4:38 PM

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I seriously doubt legally to Australia. They are extremely tough regarding import of potentially invasive species.



#12 Offline rbarreto - Posted June 13 2018 - 6:50 PM

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It is legal for me to ship them from England or Australia as long as I’m in canada and they are not considered a pest and I don’t like walk up to the police say I’m shipping ants into Canada. From what I heard it’s one of those grey zones that as long as you don't ask they don’t care. ;) same with keeping chickens in my area. They are not actively hunting chicken keepers but if you where to ask them or a neighbor complained then they would have to do something.

Good luck with that.........
You sound sceptical. It’s not California over here. We are sooooo much more chill. And aren’t slapping warning signs on everything. I can legally ship a queen ant from anywhere in Canada and from England and I’m not sure but I am 99.999999% sure Australia to 

 

 

Do you mind showing me were you got this information? I'm just curious.


My journal featuring:

Aphaenogaster picea

Lasius claviger

Lasius umbratus

Lasius sp. (black workers)

Lasius sp. (yellow/orange workers)

Formica pallidefulva (northern color form)

Prenolepis imparis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus novaeboracensis

Temnothorax cf. curvispinosus

Tetramorium immigrans ( 2 polygynous, 1 monogynous)

 


#13 Offline Canadian anter - Posted June 13 2018 - 8:07 PM

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Just my two cents here.

 

I will say shipping ants to Canada is pretty easy and it has been done by a forum member here. However, I do not condone this. It is still illegal and can result in fines upwards of 10,000 dollars



#14 Online YsTheAnt - Posted June 13 2018 - 8:45 PM

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Hah, I wonder if this is how Solenopsis invicta came to the US... Must've come in on a shipment container bound for some Antscanada Fan's house, only to be poorly sealed and the colony escaping. The poor kid ordered two (ant obviously both escaped) and you got yourself a fresh population or "fire ants".

All exaggerated theories aside, not only does buying ants from Australia and Asia risk involving yourself in illegal activities, it is harmful to the environment. Some guy might sell you Parponera in a box of dirt, and a black crazy ant colony might as well hitchhike in it. Before you know it, your mistake kills off boatloads of native ants.

And besides, ants from out of your area are terribly difficult to keep alive. Desert ants won't do well in cold, medium-high humidity places, mountain ants won't do well in dry, hot places. If you are just beginning the hobby, I doubt you will be able to keep all, if any of the listed ants successfully.

Do everyone and everything around you a favor and stick to stuff native to at least your country. You won't be able to keep Myrmecocystus alive if you are a beginner, along with probably Cephalotes Spp. (Note Spp., referring to multiple species, not Ssp. :) I would italicize the species names but I'm on mobile at the moment).

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#15 Online AntsAreUs - Posted June 13 2018 - 8:46 PM

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To be clear on what species are easy to keep, none of the ones that you appear to want are easy (far from it actually). Myrmecocystus being the easiest. However, I do agree with previous statements being that you shouldn't ship them into Canada. Based on your signature, the ones you have listed that you want are very easy to keep. Perhaps Tetramorium would be a good choice if it is in your area.


Edited by AntsAreUs, June 13 2018 - 8:50 PM.

Currently keeping:

Ants:    Stigmatomma pallipes

            Temnothorax schaumii - Journal

            Temnothorax curvispinosus

            Myrmecina americana - Journal

            Ponera pennsylvanica - Journal

            Formica incerta Journal

            Formica subsericea

            Formica rubicunda

            Aphaenogaster tennesseensis - Journal

            Aphaenogaster rudis Journal

            Myrmica spp. Journal

            Camponotus chromaiodes - Journal

            Camponotus pennsylvanicus

            Camponotus subbarbatus - Journal

            Camponotus sp.

            Strumigenys pergandei - Journal (Discontinued)

            Strumigenys pilinasis - Journal

            Hypoponera opacior

            Tetramorium immigrans - Journal

            Tapinoma sessile - Journal

            Lasius americanus

            Lasius neoniger

            Lasius murphyi

            Solenopsis molesta

            Pheidole pilifera

 

Other:  Millipedes

Isopods

Springtails

Soil Centipedes (Geophilomorpha sp.)

Stone Centipedes (Lithobius sp.)

Mealworms/Superworms

Indian Mealmoth Culture

Dipluras

Some types of mites


#16 Offline Leo - Posted June 13 2018 - 11:13 PM

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Just saying....

carebara is hard, I have a queen in my pocket but she may not make it.

I have had 23 odontomachus queens and colonies, 3 laid eggs, 1 had larvae, 1 had pupae. All of them died. AND they were native.

cataulacus is basically the turtle ants here and THEY ARE DARNED HARD. 

 

I am keeping myrmecia AND 12 carebara queens, none have larvae. Also attempted cataulacus and Cephalotes please just don't if you are a beginner. 



#17 Offline DrygonKing - Posted June 14 2018 - 7:15 AM

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I was told from a friend who ships insects for his iguana from the UK. He also did a ant queen for the uk to. And I can ship things from other Provence’s too. I know that for sure.
Current Queens:
Formica sp (Parasitic) (1)
Formica argentea (3)
Myrmica sp (2) (all have workers!)
Lasius subumbratus (1)

Queens I Have Found:
Lasius alienus
Lasius subumbratus
Formica podzolica
Formica argentea
Formica (parasitic)
Camponotus sp.
Myrmica sp.


Queens currently looking for:
Formica fusca
Lasius neoniger


Queens once more experienced:
Carebara diversa
Myrmecocystus
Odontomachus Sp.

#18 Offline DrygonKing - Posted June 14 2018 - 7:18 AM

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That is like my bucket list of ants for later. I’m not getting them now and probably not for a,few years. That’s why it says “when more experienced”.
Current Queens:
Formica sp (Parasitic) (1)
Formica argentea (3)
Myrmica sp (2) (all have workers!)
Lasius subumbratus (1)

Queens I Have Found:
Lasius alienus
Lasius subumbratus
Formica podzolica
Formica argentea
Formica (parasitic)
Camponotus sp.
Myrmica sp.


Queens currently looking for:
Formica fusca
Lasius neoniger


Queens once more experienced:
Carebara diversa
Myrmecocystus
Odontomachus Sp.

#19 Offline rbarreto - Posted June 14 2018 - 7:48 AM

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You need a permit to import ANY species other than some of the ones listed in Appendix 1 in the link below.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/plants/plant-pests-invasive-species/directives/imports/d-12-02/eng/1432586422006/1432586423037#a5

 

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis is the only ant listed as "No Permit Required" in Appendix 1 but I assume that is because it it also found in Canada.


My journal featuring:

Aphaenogaster picea

Lasius claviger

Lasius umbratus

Lasius sp. (black workers)

Lasius sp. (yellow/orange workers)

Formica pallidefulva (northern color form)

Prenolepis imparis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus novaeboracensis

Temnothorax cf. curvispinosus

Tetramorium immigrans ( 2 polygynous, 1 monogynous)

 


#20 Offline DrygonKing - Posted June 14 2018 - 8:35 AM

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Ok then. Chill out.
Current Queens:
Formica sp (Parasitic) (1)
Formica argentea (3)
Myrmica sp (2) (all have workers!)
Lasius subumbratus (1)

Queens I Have Found:
Lasius alienus
Lasius subumbratus
Formica podzolica
Formica argentea
Formica (parasitic)
Camponotus sp.
Myrmica sp.


Queens currently looking for:
Formica fusca
Lasius neoniger


Queens once more experienced:
Carebara diversa
Myrmecocystus
Odontomachus Sp.




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