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#1 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 10 2018 - 2:41 AM

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I know what everyone is going to say, "but this is snakes, this doesn't apply to me cuz I is only  releasing my ants and we all knows that no one has proved that ants can introduce no sickness into wild populations" Well people just because it hasn't happened yet (that we know of) doesn't mean it won't.

 

 

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#2 Offline Skwiggledork - Posted May 10 2018 - 3:39 AM

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I don't know anyone that says you can release exotic ants. The main argument I see is releasing native species.



#3 Offline Canadian anter - Posted May 10 2018 - 4:21 AM

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I don't know anyone that says you can release exotic ants. The main argument I see is releasing native species.

Yes, but the point made is that native species kept in the same environment can still contract diseases.


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#4 Offline sgheaton - Posted May 10 2018 - 4:43 AM

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#5 Offline Martialis - Posted May 10 2018 - 7:56 AM

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Yet another reason why not to release ants.

 

It's a shame that some of the leaders and most famous in the ant keeping community support such an irresponsible practice.


Yet another reason why not to release ants.

 

It's a shame that some of the leaders and most famous in the ant keeping community support such an irresponsible practice.


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#6 Offline T.C. - Posted May 10 2018 - 9:30 AM

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Ironically this popped up in my news feed earlier this morning. Sure is a shame. I knew someone who said he released all his pets he didn't want in Florida, of course that place is already crawling with non native species. However he claimed that the "whole exotic pets effecting native species was (censored) and that one won't kill off hundreds or thousands of another species." Of course an ignorant statement, and after talking for longer, I realized he thought you shouldn't release them because he thought they ate the native species rather than spreaded disease for example. I mean, that's pretty much the case for fire ants, but reptiles... pretty sure not.



#7 Offline Jadeninja9 - Posted May 10 2018 - 9:49 AM

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Just out of curiosity, what are some of the disease than ants are prone to?

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#8 Offline Shifty189 - Posted May 10 2018 - 10:11 AM

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I don't understand how ants that i keep in my house are more prone to disease then wild ants that happen to be in my house....



#9 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 10 2018 - 2:55 PM

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Just like with mite infestations which if in the wild the ants are able to fight them, the same is the case with infections. Living in close confined quarters infections which would normally not be an issue can become more virulent an a potential for further spread if the ants are released. I know I have not explained this as well as i would like but at the moment the best I can do. This disease issue can occur with fish, reptiles, mammals, and birds as any one who has kept colonies of living organisms  can tell you.


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#10 Offline nurbs - Posted May 10 2018 - 2:57 PM

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Someone please make a rap of this.

 

 

Yet another reason why not to release ants.

 

It's a shame that some of the leaders and most famous in the ant keeping community support such an irresponsible practice.


Yet another reason why not to release ants.

 

It's a shame that some of the leaders and most famous in the ant keeping community support such an irresponsible practice.


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#11 Offline Shifty189 - Posted May 10 2018 - 3:22 PM

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Just like with mite infestations which if in the wild the ants are able to fight them, the same is the case with infections. Living in close confined quarters infections which would normally not be an issue can become more virulent an a potential for further spread if the ants are released. I know I have not explained this as well as i would like but at the moment the best I can do. This disease issue can occur with fish, reptiles, mammals, and birds as any one who has kept colonies of living organisms  can tell you.

 

I get that, but in Ants? they already live in close confined quarters in the wild. i think my problem is that logically it doesn't make sense to me in Ants like it would with birds or reptiles.



#12 Offline Canadian anter - Posted May 10 2018 - 4:27 PM

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Why not? They could easily contract an ant-killing fungus or a species of mite from food sources such as mealworms from pet stores.



#13 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 10 2018 - 4:56 PM

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It is exactly the same, the confines of a natural wild ant colony is not even close to the same thing as what they experience is the unnatural confines of an artificial nest provided by an ant keeper.



#14 Offline Jadeninja9 - Posted May 10 2018 - 5:38 PM

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Wait so what kind of diseases are we talking about. Stuff like mites and fungi? Do ants have viruses like humans do or nah?

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x1 Camponotus hyatti colony

x7 Lasius alienus

 

Founding:

x1 Prenolepis imparis

x1 Tetramorium immigrans

x1Campontus cf. clarithorax


#15 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 10 2018 - 5:47 PM

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You name they have it.


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#16 Offline Martialis - Posted May 10 2018 - 5:56 PM

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You name they have it.

Schizophrenia?


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#17 Offline Jadeninja9 - Posted May 10 2018 - 6:00 PM

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Man I hate it when my ants develop Alzheimer’s and forget who I am. Lol.

Keeper of:

x1 Camponotus hyatti colony

x7 Lasius alienus

 

Founding:

x1 Prenolepis imparis

x1 Tetramorium immigrans

x1Campontus cf. clarithorax


#18 Offline rbarreto - Posted May 10 2018 - 6:27 PM

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I believe he meant any kind of infection. Not specific human diseases i.e. virusesviroidsprionsbacteria, nematodes, arthropods, fungi and other macroparasites.


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#19 Offline Shifty189 - Posted May 11 2018 - 1:28 AM

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Man I hate it when my ants develop Alzheimer’s and forget who I am. Lol.

I needed that this morning lol

#20 Offline GeorgeK - Posted May 11 2018 - 1:35 AM

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Uh... Just look at what happened when we released native Europeans into central America


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