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Is it legal to ship ants within state borders?


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#1 Online Derpy - Posted February 12 2018 - 5:43 PM

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Is it legal to ship ants WITHIN state borders? I know that it is illegal to ship outside state borders, but how about within state borders?
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#2 Offline StopSpazzing - Posted February 12 2018 - 6:23 PM

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I would assume it requires permit. Sent this question to USDA and also what it would take. Will reply in 3-4 days when they respond.


Edited by StopSpazzing, February 12 2018 - 6:49 PM.

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#3 Online Derpy - Posted February 12 2018 - 6:43 PM

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All the laws that I have read only specify shipping queens ants across state borders.
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#4 Offline Reacker - Posted February 12 2018 - 6:49 PM

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#5 Online Derpy - Posted February 12 2018 - 6:59 PM

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#6 Offline Ants_Texas - Posted February 12 2018 - 7:19 PM

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Honesly, I'm for a topic being created and pinned to the "Important Topics". It should be a FAQ about shipping ants, queens, stuff like that.

 

It just seems that this kind of stuff is brought up every week.


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#7 Offline CallMeCraven - Posted February 13 2018 - 8:40 AM

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Shipping ants within the state from which they are captured doesn't violate APHIS regulations, however many states and counties have their own versions of APHIS to restrict the movement of plant pests. Before you ship, you should contact your local agriculture offices (such as university extension offices) for any regulations that may pertain to your case.


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#8 Offline StopSpazzing - Posted February 13 2018 - 2:47 PM

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OK everyone, here is the result from USDA to clear up ALL confusion:

 

Thank you for writing to USDA’s Ask the Expert.  Movement of native/endemic ants within a state is regulated by that state’s department of agriculture.  However, movement of native/endemic ants across state lines would require a USDA PPQ 526 plant pest permit.  These interstate permits generally do not require a formal containment evaluation, but that depends on the ant species.  Ants imported from outside the contiguous 48 states would require a USDA PPQ 526 plant pest permit, as well as an evaluated containment facility.  Further information is available at https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/regulated-organism-and-soil-permits/insects-and-mites/ct_insects; you may also email pest.permits@aphis.usda.gov.  We hope this information is helpful.

 

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#9 Online Derpy - Posted February 13 2018 - 3:31 PM

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So it’s legal?
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#10 Online gcsnelling - Posted February 13 2018 - 3:37 PM

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So it’s legal?

Legal with a permit which there is no guarantee of being issued.



#11 Offline Kevin - Posted February 13 2018 - 3:40 PM

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So it’s legal?

 

Pardon me if I sound impertinent, however if you read the paragraph StopSpazzing received from the USDA and retained any bit of information from it, you would find there's no simple answer, and that it varies state-to-state. With that being said, it is very likely it is legal in your area to ship ants in the mail if they stay within state borders while in transit and at destination. The best solution would be not to ship ants.


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#12 Offline StopSpazzing - Posted February 13 2018 - 7:57 PM

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Can we get this pinned?


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#13 Offline Jadeninja9 - Posted February 13 2018 - 8:11 PM

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So it’s legal?

I gotchu bro. The answer is: In California, it is illegal to ship ants within the borders without a permit. The only two species that are legal to ship without a permit are Pogonomyrmex californicus, and Linepithema humile. Here is a link to the PDF that shows what insect species are legal to ship within California. http://pi.cdfa.ca.go...ual/pdf/111.pdf

 

California has the most strict laws regarding insects. It's actually illegal to collect ANY species of insect within California without a permit. This isn't to protect the environment as they say it is, it's just so they can make an extra buck off of people buying expensive permits. 


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#14 Offline Jadeninja9 - Posted February 13 2018 - 8:42 PM

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Legal with a permit which there is no guarantee of being issued.

 

 

 

I was going through my iNaturalist observations and found that you had identified a winter ant for me. Small world. 


Edited by Jadeninja9, February 13 2018 - 8:45 PM.

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