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What are the laws regarding moving ants across state lines when they are native to that location?


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#1 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 11:36 AM

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For instance, moving ants from KY to Virginia.


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#2 Offline drtrmiller - Posted October 10 2017 - 11:41 AM

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Doesn't matter whether they are native to the location they're being moved to.  All that matters is that an ant is crossing the state line.


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#3 Offline nurbs - Posted October 10 2017 - 12:53 PM

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Doesn't matter whether they are native to the location they're being moved to.  All that matters is that an ant is crossing the state line.

 

Just visualized a bunch of ants in single file marching across the state border.


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#4 Offline Serafine - Posted October 10 2017 - 1:22 PM

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Actually most ants don't walk. They just land on (or crawl into) commercial transport vehicles, let those drive (or swim or fly) over a border and then jump off.

Ants LOVE commercial trading, some species are real globetrotters.


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#5 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 2:46 PM

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Actually most ants don't walk. They just land on (or crawl into) commercial transport vehicles, let those drive (or swim or fly) over a border and then jump off.

Ants LOVE commercial trading, some species are real globetrotters.

So, is this a illegal or okay opinion :thinking:


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#6 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 3:29 PM

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Actually most ants don't walk. They just land on (or crawl into) commercial transport vehicles, let those drive (or swim or fly) over a border and then jump off.

Ants LOVE commercial trading, some species are real globetrotters.

So, is this a illegal or okay opinion :thinking:

 

Illegal, still.

 

 

Actually most ants don't walk. 

 

 Now I'm imagining a colony of ants which only move in wheelchairs and scooters.



#7 Offline B2-Bomber-Ants - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:03 PM

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I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.



#8 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:09 PM

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I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.

While it may be true that they have "bigger issues," when is it okay to cause potential harm to native organisms through something as preventable as this? 



#9 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:11 PM

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I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.

While it may be true that they have "bigger issues," when is it okay to cause potential harm to native organisms through something as preventable as this? 

 

But again, what if the ants you are bringing to the state are already native their, and you have no intention of selling or releasing them.


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#10 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:13 PM

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It's still illegal. They can still escape, and there's little beyond conventional methods that we can do to prevent that.



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I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.

While it may be true that they have "bigger issues," when is it okay to cause potential harm to native organisms through something as preventable as this? 

 

But again, what if the ants you are bringing to the state are already native their, and you have no intention of selling or releasing them.

 

Didn't Drtrmiller state that right off the bat "Doesn't matter whether they are native to the location they're being moved to.  All that matters is that an ant is crossing the state line?" The law is set in stone and there is no legal way around it unless you get a permit otherwise don't even try.


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#13 Offline gcsnelling - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:25 PM

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Again? Really??


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#14 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:35 PM

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Yup.



#15 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 5:17 PM

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It's just that I've heard different info from different people, not starting any debate. As far as I care, I got the info I needed.


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#16 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted October 10 2017 - 5:50 PM

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Anybody telling you that moving ants across state borders without permission is ok or legal is not telling you the truth.


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Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.

 

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#17 Offline B2-Bomber-Ants - Posted October 10 2017 - 6:25 PM

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Its also illegal to go past the speed limit...sooo.......just do it



#18 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 6:41 PM

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And what happens to those who speed? They get tickets. What happens to those who do so recklessly? Jail time.



#19 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted October 10 2017 - 6:47 PM

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Its also illegal to go past the speed limit...sooo.......just do it

 

Is that what servicemen are about? Breaking conservational law?


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If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.

 

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#20 Offline B2-Bomber-Ants - Posted October 10 2017 - 7:07 PM

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I don't see how or why it can be illegal if it's still in the same region of where the species live. Also, just because I was a serviceman doesn't mean I agree with all the laws that get put out there. There are plenty of retarded laws that exist and I feel this is one of them.






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