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Myrmica americana?? Located in a walnut in Michigan


Best Answer MichiganAnts , April 20 2017 - 3:20 PM

they are myrmecina americana

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#1 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted April 15 2017 - 9:28 PM

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found on 4/15/2017 in a walnut in my forest. AAA battery is in the pic for scale

 

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#2 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted April 15 2017 - 9:41 PM

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macro pics!

 

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#3 Offline Salmon - Posted April 16 2017 - 8:14 AM

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Definitely not Myrmica americana. Could be Myrmicina americana.

#4 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted April 16 2017 - 8:16 AM

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Definitely not Myrmica americana. Could be Myrmicina americana.

what?


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#5 Offline Jonathan21700 - Posted April 16 2017 - 8:27 AM

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This is Myrmica.



#6 Offline Nathant2131 - Posted April 16 2017 - 1:16 PM

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In a walnut?

 

Myrmecina americana (what Salmon probably meant) should be taken into strong consideration, then. I've never heard of a Myrmica that nests in nuts.

 

Edit: I believe I see two pairs of propodeal spines and a barrel-shaped petiole.. If so, definitely Myrmecina americana.


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#7 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted April 16 2017 - 2:40 PM

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No, I'm pretty sure these are Myrmica sp. Can we get a measurement, though, please? I mean, really? A battery??

If they are Myrmica, we will not be able to identify them to the species through photographs.


Edited by Batspiderfish, April 16 2017 - 2:42 PM.

If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

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#8 Offline Salmon - Posted April 16 2017 - 4:18 PM

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Yeah the legs look like they might be too long to be Myrmecina. But if they are Myrmica they certainly aren't M. americana.

#9 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted April 20 2017 - 3:20 PM   Best Answer

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they are myrmecina americana


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#10 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted April 20 2017 - 3:41 PM

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they are myrmecina americana

 

What is your reasoning?


Edited by Batspiderfish, April 20 2017 - 3:41 PM.

If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

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#11 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted April 20 2017 - 3:43 PM

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they are myrmecina americana

 

What is your reasoning?

 

http://www.antwiki.o...ecina_americana

 

that's exactly what they look like. the first pic


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#12 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted April 20 2017 - 3:58 PM

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they are myrmecina americana

 

What is your reasoning?

 

http://www.antwiki.o...ecina_americana

 

that's exactly what they look like. the first pic

 

 

The proportions of the head and the size/position of the eyes tell me this is not Myrmecina. You might have trouble finding their second set of propodeal spines as well. Myrmecina are smaller than Myrmica, although we don't have a measurement.

 


Edited by Batspiderfish, April 20 2017 - 4:01 PM.

If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

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#13 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted April 20 2017 - 3:59 PM

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they are myrmecina americana

 

What is your reasoning?

 

http://www.antwiki.o...ecina_americana

 

that's exactly what they look like. the first pic

 

 

The proportions of the head and the size/position of the eyes tell me this is not Myrmecina. You might have trouble finding their second set of propodeal spines as well.

 

 

the gaster is spot on and they do have the spines. ill upload some macros i took


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#14 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted April 20 2017 - 4:01 PM

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#15 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted April 20 2017 - 4:08 PM

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Myrmecina have two sets of propodeal spines (4 spines total). Myrmica, and many other myrmicine ants have one set of propodeal spines (2 total).

The gaster is not a diagnostic for either of these ants.


If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

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#16 Offline LC3 - Posted April 21 2017 - 12:19 AM

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These pictures are pretty poor in quality but in the first and second picture of the second post you can see a queen and its mesosoma is clearly covered in lots rugae, as well as being quite slender.

To my knowledge Myrmecina have a smooth back with a wide plate, whereas Myrmica have a slender oval plate covered in rugae. 

 

I say it is Myrmica.


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#17 Offline VoidElecent - Posted May 9 2017 - 2:06 PM

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Did we ever successfully ID these ants?



#18 Offline Nathant2131 - Posted May 9 2017 - 2:09 PM

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Did we ever successfully ID these ants?

Nope. We need measurements, and better pictures would be ideal.



#19 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted May 9 2017 - 4:30 PM

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they are myrmecina americana and i've already sold them. The buyer agreed that they are myrmecina americana aswell.


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#20 Offline Civz - Posted May 9 2017 - 4:46 PM

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If you are so sure, and un willing to hear out the members from whom you requested help, then why post for the ID to begin with? xD Grats on the find though!






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