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#21 Offline Serafine - Posted March 11 2018 - 10:46 AM

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Interestingly it's always that same edgy kid type of people who are trying to trigger others and start fights by posting troll videos or insulting other chat participants and after they get banned for just that they run to the closest place (Formiculture) and complain in the forums or the chat about how unfair they are treated, how they are censored by the oppressive moderators, how terrible the entire server is and how everyone is against them.
 

 

Hey look, someone who is not one of the bad justice warrior discord mods has summed up perfectly what you refuse to comprehend.

Barristan, after you joined, you posted something that the owner informed you was not allowed on the server. You then proceeded to claim that your opinion was oppressed and that the server was filled with social justice warriors. You went on to mock SJW and generalise and disparage the entire server, then spent the rest of your time in the server trolling. While i'm not a mod I think this should give you a decent idea as to why you were banned.


Edited by Serafine, March 11 2018 - 10:48 AM.

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#22 Offline Barristan - Posted March 11 2018 - 10:49 AM

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hey I'm sorry I'm just a poor drama queen seeking for attention mama Serafine. I can't make such valuable posts like you do here all the time which don't trigger anybody xD.

 

Sorry I can't take you and the other mods there seriously anymore.

After banning me some came to the formiculture chat to chat with me? Oh well that's kind of funny isn't it? First banning me than following me to another forum's chat to chat there ;)

 

they run to the closest place (Formiculture) and complain in the forums or the chat about how unfair they are treated, how they are censored by the oppressive moderators, how terrible the entire server is and how everyone is against them.

 

 

Like you do all the time? http://www.formicult...-invasive-ants/

 

This needs to be dragged into the public, even if just because it's hypocrisy at the highest level.

 

And now you complain that I do the same with your beloved discord server. Yep hypocrisy at the highest level ;)

Another video I posted there which seemed to offend too many people there:



I wonder what you would do if a Trump Supporter joins your discord and asks you to stop videos which make fun about Trump since he is offended by them. Would you stop? I highly doubt that.


Edited by Barristan, March 11 2018 - 11:26 AM.


#23 Offline Ant Broski - Posted March 11 2018 - 1:16 PM

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I am confused. How does any of this relate to ants?
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#24 Offline Serafine - Posted March 11 2018 - 1:26 PM

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Sorry I can't take you and the other mods there seriously anymore.

Sorry, we can't take you seriously either after you insulted the entire server and everyone on it. You got banned for good reasons, a NON-MOD user clearly told you why. But you don't want to comprehend.

 

Barristan, after you joined, you posted something that the owner informed you was not allowed on the server. You then proceeded to claim that your opinion was oppressed and that the server was filled with social justice warriors. You went on to mock SJW and generalise and disparage the entire server, then spent the rest of your time in the server trolling. While i'm not a mod I think this should give you a decent idea as to why you were banned.

 

 

Like you do all the time? http://www.formicult...-invasive-ants/
This needs to be dragged into the public, even if just because it's hypocrisy at the highest level.

 

I knew you would drag that one up, you're so predictable.
And the cases are barely comparable. Those were potentially illegal sales of invasive ants violating federal law and utterly undermining GAN's own moral standards (oh btw, people are back to selling queens without workers again, apparently they still can't be bothered to enforce their very own rules), all you did was insulting people in a chat and then wondering why you got banned.

And just for the record I posted about the RIFA issue on the AC forums first and they didn't react in any way for two weeks, then they simply denied there was any issue and only when the affair threatened to explode into a PR disaster they could be bothered to deal with the situation.

 

 

Another video I posted there which seemed to offend too many people there:



I wonder what you would do if a Trump Supporter joins your discord and asks you to stop videos which make fun about Trump since he is offended by them. Would you stop? I highly doubt that.

 

You know what's the difference is between the videos I posted and the videos you posted?
The videos I posted made fun of Trump, certain republican politicians, sometimes democrat politicians, at the time quite a lot about Clinton as well (which was an awful candidate and should have been axed right from the start) - the videos you posted were insulting GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

I never posted videos that generally insulted Trump supporters or republican supporters or any group of supporters of anything, but I'm actually not surprised you are incapable of seeing the difference there.


Edited by Serafine, March 11 2018 - 1:36 PM.

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#25 Offline Barristan - Posted March 11 2018 - 1:46 PM

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You know what's the difference is between the videos I posted and the videos you posted?
The videos I posted made fun of Trump, certain republican politicians, sometimes democrat politicians, at the time quite a lot about Clinton as well (which was an awful candidate and should have been axed right from the start) - the videos you posted were insulting GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
I never posted videos that generally insulted Trump supporters or republican supporters or any group of supporters of anything, but I'm actually not surprised you are incapable of seeing the difference there.


Trump, certain republican politicians,


Not a group of people? Maybe I'm not as intelligent as you are so I don't see how making fun of Trump + certain republicaan politicians is not making fun of a group of people. And if a lot of people are triggered by videos making fun of extreme SJWs, well maybe I was right and the discord server is full of such crazy people ;).

And a last time: I never insulted any people in your chat. Even the one who called me retard (which still is not banned I guess) said he is a SJW). All you do is try to justify your stupid behavior.
 

And the cases are barely comparable.


Of course they are you carry something which does not belong here to this forum and now you complain that I do the same, what a nice double standard again. But I didn't expect anything else from you. if you do things they are ok if others do them it is not ;)

By the way Serafine, how old are you? Unfortunatelly you don't have any information in your profile regarding age or gender.


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#26 Offline dspdrew - Posted March 11 2018 - 2:17 PM

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Moved to Politics, Religion and Culture.


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#27 Offline Serafine - Posted March 11 2018 - 3:26 PM

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Trump, certain republican politicians,


Not a group of people? Maybe I'm not as intelligent as you are so I don't see how making fun of Trump + certain republicaan politicians is not making fun of a group of people. And if a lot of people are triggered by videos making fun of extreme SJWs, well maybe I was right and the discord server is full of such crazy people

Trump = group of people
Certain republican politicians = group of people because everytime something gets said about one of them it obviously applies to all of them. Looks like republican politicians are bosons.


Oh, and nice that you completely ignored that certain democrat politians and Clinton parts because they didn't fit your scheme.
 

And a last time: I never insulted any people in your chat.







 

Barristan, after you joined, you posted something that the owner informed you was not allowed on the server. You then proceeded to claim that your opinion was oppressed and that the server was filled with social justice warriors. You went on to mock SJW and generalise and disparage the entire server, then spent the rest of your time in the server trolling. While i'm not a mod I think this should give you a decent idea as to why you were banned.





 

Of course they are you carry something which does not belong here to this forum and now you complain that I do the same, what a nice double standard again. But I didn't expect anything else from you. if you do things they are ok if others do them it is not

This is an ant forum. The GAN/RIFA thing was an ant topic.

You got banned from a chat server for behaving like an edgy kid, trolling, trying to get other people to fight you and ignoring the chat moderators and admins when they warned you.
Your issue has nothing to do with ants - and nothing with politics either.

 

By the way Serafine, how old are you? Unfortunatelly you don't have any information in your profile regarding age or gender.

I'm just gonna quote what you wrote in the chat when people asked for your age.

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#28 Offline Martialis - Posted March 11 2018 - 5:10 PM

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Oh well. I too am banned from that server and agree with the moderators' decision. I broke the rules and deserved the ban. Why don't you, Barristan?


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#29 Offline Barristan - Posted March 11 2018 - 10:35 PM

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Oh, and nice that you completely ignored that certain democrat politians and Clinton parts because they didn't fit your scheme.


Well that also fits into my scheme extreme leftists like you also hate Clinton. Are you a member of Antifa?
 

I'm just gonna quote what you wrote in the chat when people asked for your age.


Now I'm disappointed, I thought you weren't paranoid? By the way you can find my age and gender in the profile here in the forum. Others also failed getting your age:
 

 

Serafine, bro how old are you? I really want to know.

My age is none of your business but judging by the age average of the english-speaking antkeeping community it is likely that I'm twice as old as you are.

 


So you don't want to tell people your age and you critize me for not telling my age after I got asked during a heated discussion? And of course you know that I was absolutely correct with my assumption about the intend behind asking for my age.

Why don't you post the complete chat history so everybody can judge by themselves. Would be better than cherry picking quotes out of context, wouldn't it?

The last thing I read in the chat was a pm from the admin who told me that they discussed everything and now political discussions aren't allowed anymore. Then I thought: "well ok that is a good solution". After reopening discord I figured out that I have been banned. Without any warning or hint ;)

Probably you were not so pleased with not posting political stuff anymore so you urged the other mods to ban me.


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Why should I accept unjuistified bans? It seems a lot of people got banned there. Maybe we could make a list here ;).

But at least everybody who searches for discord here will see this thread and see what people lead this discord server, so they will think twice before using it.



#30 Offline Serafine - Posted March 12 2018 - 4:35 AM

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Well that also fits into my scheme extreme leftists like you also hate Clinton. Are you a member of Antifa?

And you're resorting to populism and extremes again. Totally sounds like someone interested in a rational discussion - not.
I don't like Antifa and extremists of any kind, the political spectrum is a circle and at a certain point it doesn't matter whether you're left or right, the point of view is the only difference left.
You on the other hand are just self-centered edgy kid person type and this isn't about politics, it's about you coming onto a chat with the intent of causing trouble.

You posted this one BEFORE the whole affair exploded and it clearly shows your intent of "posting crap" to cause trouble - you were never interested in a good chat anyway.


 

Now I'm disappointed, I thought you weren't paranoid? By the way you can find my age and gender in the profile here in the forum. Others also failed getting your age:

Maybe because my age and gender are nobody's business? You'll not gonna find it in any other forum either.
There are some people left in the internet who do not throw out private information left, right and center.
 

So you don't want to tell people your age and you critize me for not telling my age after I got asked during a heated discussion? And of course you know that I was absolutely correct with my assumption about the intend behind asking for my age.

I did not criticize you for not telling your age, I absolutely don't care about how old someone is - an edgy kid can be 9 years old or 20+ like you have proven quite impressive.
 

Why don't you post the complete chat history so everybody can judge by themselves. Would be better than cherry picking quotes out of context, wouldn't it?

Once I've found a proper way to do it I might actually do that, but the impression you make in it doesn't get any better and it's probably just not worth the effort anyway.


Edited by Serafine, March 12 2018 - 4:36 AM.

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#31 Offline Serafine - Posted March 12 2018 - 4:36 AM

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The last thing I read in the chat was a pm from the admin who told me that they discussed everything and now political discussions aren't allowed anymore. Then I thought: "well ok that is a good solution". After reopening discord I figured out that I have been banned. Without any warning or hint.

Probably you were not so pleased with not posting political stuff anymore so you urged the other mods to ban me.

After some consultation we all agreed that we had heated discussions (about politics, gender issues and other stuff) before and that there was never any need to ban a topic from discussion or to ban people over the topic of a discussion, so we decided in this case to rather ban the one single user incapable of participating in a civilized discussion instead of banning a whole topic from discussion, especially since this user had repeatedly announced and proven that his intent was to "post crap" and cause trouble from the start.

An assumption that is further reinforced by the fact that after getting banned you INSTANTLY started posting on Formiculture, as if you had just waited to get banned all the time so could start complaining about how terrible the Discord and how oppressive it's admins are.

 

@Martialis
Why should I accept unjuistified bans? It seems a lot of people got banned there. Maybe we could make a list here

Your ban was not unjustified and it wasn't about politics, gender issues or anything else in that way either - and you know that.
You got banned because of trolling, the hostile way in which you treated other users, ignoring of multiple warnings by the moderators and generally trying to cause disruption.

And about that list, we repeatedly had people coming over from the Formiculture chat with the sole intention of causing trouble - and being salty on Formiculture after they got the ban they were pushing for (we also had people joining who were and are absolutely fine, they are actually the majority, just to be clear on that). We even had people joining who then invited friends (or alt accounts) to troll, assuming we were stupid enough to not notice.

There seem to be a few paranoid individuals who think that there's actually a competition between the Discord and the Formiculture chat and that it is their holy duty to sabotage the Discord by trolling and disrupting or even shutting down discussions. Or maybe they are just grumpy because they managed to blow all their chances to be part of the community we built because, let's be honest, there is just no alternative - of all the "I am gonna make my own better Discord server without you" guys not a single one has succeeded (and there were quite a few attempts).

 

 

The fact is that there is no competition between the Formiculture chat and the Discord (except the one some people are trying to make up).

We welcome everyone who doesn't come with the sole intent of causing trouble, no matter of political views or social alignment (I've even had some pretty good discussions with some very conservative folks). Our community of over 650 people speaks for itself and proves that we're actually doing something right.

If you think you can do better, you're welcome - go on and show us. Discord is free, everyone can make a server, it's not even an effort at all.

Building a community and keeping it alive, dealing with trolls, edgy kids and malicious individuals that is where the challenge begins - and obviously none of those who complain about the way we manage our server are capable of doing just that.


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#32 Offline Barristan - Posted March 12 2018 - 10:11 AM

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User insulting me without any consequences for him:
 
retarded
 
Admin admits he is a SJW:
 
admin Sjw

 

Serafine contributing to the topic again:

 

serafine1
serafine2
 
You should think twice before you join this server full of mad people ;)

 

 



#33 Offline T.C. - Posted March 12 2018 - 10:49 AM

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Although the same did not happen to me on the Antkeepind Discord, likely because I had joined as the 6th member or something like that, I have seen some things occur that I would cringe about. I think the server is nice and has potential, but people there have always seemed a little sensitive and some would get in trouble for things that I didn't agree with. I don't come on much at all so i may not know the entire story. But I do know if your like me, when you join new places you test the waters and push your luck to see how others react. I did it here and just about everywhere else. I don't want to contribute if I am just going to get banned in the future. Again, I don't know the entire story here, but just saying, banning people for disagreeing with them is really bad practice and I have seen that. I don't care enough to find examples, just saying what I have saw in the past. I have no reason to lie as I have friends there.


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#34 Offline Piercelol - Posted March 13 2018 - 3:28 AM

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I was the person who called you retarded, it was clear to me that you were being unreasonable once you made silly assumptions about people asking for your age, and I was frustrated and let it slip.

 

The reason why I didn't receive harsh punishment is because the admins told me to stop with the name calling, so I did.

I even went and apologised to you and to the admins about implying you're retarded.

They gave me a clear warning and I listened, which you didn't do, you carried on being an immature edgy troll.

 

You were trolling so hard and baited out an insult, than once you got it, you pulled a Hollywood here and in the discord. You're making being called a retard such a bigger deal than it was so you can play the victim. I'm sure you've been called retarded many more times than this so your behaviour now is strange.

 

I'm pretty SJWery and I offered to talk to you about it in private as well, but you just wanted to cause a scene in discord and here. It's obvious you wanted to see the consequences or wanted to get banned.

 

Here's your chat logs, next time you want to see them, try not getting banned in the first place.

They honestly just makes you look more disingenuous.

 

https://imgur.com/a/8g2pG

 

The admins on this discord do a pretty amazing job in my opinion, they stomp out a lot of trolls and dodgy stuff before it gets big. Only people getting banned are people who ignore their warnings.



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I don’t think this conversation should be in Formiculture. It doesn’t seem to have any association with ants whatsoever.

#36 Offline Barristan - Posted March 20 2018 - 1:54 AM

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We are in Off-topic subforum so it doesn't need to be ant related.







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