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Dspdrew's Camponotus sp.1 Journal [172] (Updated 6-8-2019)

dspdrew journal camponotus little thomas mountain san jacinto mountains california

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#1 Offline dspdrew - Posted May 7 2014 - 11:17 AM

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5-10-2014
 
On Saturday 5-3-2014 I found this Camponotus cf. quercicola sp. queen wandering on a dirt road up in a place called Little Thomas Mountain in the San Jacinto Mountains. It was a few hours after dark, and the temperature was in the 50's.

 

ID Thread: http://www.formicult...s-ca-6-21-2014/

 

1. Location of collection:  Little Thomas Mountain, San Jacinto Mountains, California.
2. Date of collection:  5-3-2014.
3. Habitat of collection:  Pine/Oak Forest.
4. Length (from head to gaster):  11mm.
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture:  All black with dark brown legs; yellow hairs, numerous on cheeks.
6. Distinguishing characteristics:  No clypeal carina or notch.
 
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Edit: I have added microscope pictures of this queen since it died.

 

Edit: I have removed my guess as to the ID of this queen, since I have recently found a C. quercicola queen, and there are just too many differences.


Edited by dspdrew, June 5 2015 - 6:20 AM.


#2 Offline dspdrew - Posted May 29 2014 - 8:00 AM

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Update 5-29-2014
 
This queen laid eggs, and then ate them all. She went for a week or so with nothing, and then now has laid more eggs again.



#3 Offline Gregory2455 - Posted July 8 2014 - 3:06 PM

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Any Update?



#4 Offline dspdrew - Posted July 8 2014 - 3:27 PM

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Update 7-8-2014
 
Finally this queen has some brood that is developing. :D   At this point she has two cocooned pupae, and a few larvae. There is some debate over what species she really is--or even genus, :huh: but at this point I can't see what else she could possibly be other than C. quercicola, even though she is quite small for one of those. We'll get a much better idea once her workers eclose.



#5 Offline Chromerust - Posted July 8 2014 - 10:39 PM

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I definitely have one of these too Drew. It came from Little Thomas mountan. It's probably eaten a hundred eggs by now. Last week I stuck her in the warmest spot I can find and am leaving her undisturbed for a few weeks. Hopefully she will be a good girl now.



#6 Offline dspdrew - Posted July 19 2014 - 9:30 AM

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Update 7-19-2014
 
This queen's first nanitic eclosed yesterday and it's definitely Camponotus. I'm still not sure what species it is though, because the nanitic worker is only about 4 mm in length.

 

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#7 Offline Gregory2455 - Posted October 17 2014 - 8:28 PM

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or even genus

What else would she have been? :thinking:



#8 Offline dspdrew - Posted October 18 2014 - 7:24 AM

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Well it was unclear enough for James C. Trager to think she was possibly Formica at one point.



#9 Offline dean_k - Posted October 18 2014 - 8:56 AM

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May I ask what ant queens do with the cotton? They seem to ... sort of braid it? For fun? Or maybe sucking water out of it?


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#10 Offline dspdrew - Posted October 18 2014 - 10:10 AM

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They just keep pulling at it for reasons I don't exactly know. Maybe they're trying to dig toward the moisture more? Maybe they're trying to dispose of parts of it? Could be lots of things.



#11 Offline Justin - Posted October 18 2014 - 10:18 AM

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how big is that queen?



#12 Offline Gregory2455 - Posted October 18 2014 - 11:18 AM

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Camponotus queens range from 11-18mm I think.



#13 Offline Justin - Posted October 18 2014 - 11:37 AM

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damn haha!



#14 Offline dspdrew - Posted October 18 2014 - 6:46 PM

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I just updated the original post. This one is about 11mm.



#15 Offline Gregory2455 - Posted October 18 2014 - 7:04 PM

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That is actually pretty small for a Camponotus!



#16 Offline dspdrew - Posted October 18 2014 - 11:01 PM

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Yeah... pretty small for a C. quercicola.



#17 Offline Gregory2455 - Posted October 18 2014 - 11:02 PM

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Pretty small for any Camponotus! :)



#18 Offline dspdrew - Posted October 18 2014 - 11:44 PM

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Not Myrmentoma, which C. quercicola are not.



#19 Offline James C. Trager - Posted October 19 2014 - 5:45 AM

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The queen does not look like (Myrmentoma), though she's about the right size. I would still like to see a good clear face view, with the outer clypeal margin and malar hairs in crisp focus. Of course, major or submajor workers would be best for identification, as usual for this genus. 


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#20 Offline dspdrew - Posted October 19 2014 - 10:11 AM

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Yeah, we may get great microscope pictures of her in the near future I'm afraid, and likely no worker shots. This queen is just not producing anything, and I'm sure will just die eventually. Of course I've had a C. anthrax queen now for a year and a half, with no workers at all for most of that time, and she just keeps on living, so who knows. :lol:







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