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Grout v. Hydrostone


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#1 Offline BrittonLS - Posted May 31 2015 - 11:54 AM

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So, I'm trying to look into building a formicarium for the future, or perhaps a fancier founding chamber for my recent queens. I like the sound of plaster, but it sounds like the S.invicta I have will chew through it and I'd be surprised if Pogonomyrmex couldn't either, which is a species I'm hoping to grab. 

 

So, what's the difference between hydrostone and grout? I know there are different types of grout too, according to a forum here it said unsanded grout absorbs water a lot easier. But I've also seen people mixing crushed perlite with grout to make it more water absorbent but others not doing that at all. It seems when it's just a layer of grout, like putting it on a plastic nest.

 

So, grout probably doesn't need perlite if it's just a small layer of it?

 

I also heard hydrostone expanding. Does this happen when it absorbs water? Or when it's curing? 

 

Any other information as far as these two materials go?

 

Also, say I just want to lay a layer of substrate, basically just glue a coating of sand along a surface as thinly as possible, what would you use to do that?



#2 Offline BrittonLS - Posted May 31 2015 - 9:08 PM

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Ok, now I'm REALLY confused. If hydrostone is gypsum, what's the difference between hydrostone and plaster of paris? Does hydrostone create bubbles I guess? Why would it be harder? OmigoshImjustusinggroutwhatever



#3 Offline dspdrew - Posted May 31 2015 - 9:18 PM

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Hydrostone is plaster with a small percentage of portland cement added. It expands when it cures.



#4 Offline Myrmicinae - Posted June 1 2015 - 8:26 AM

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Grout also requires longer to cure before ants can be moved into it.


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#5 Offline BrittonLS - Posted June 1 2015 - 1:38 PM

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Could I mix plaster and cement then to make my own? I should probably just do grout shouldn't I.



#6 Offline dspdrew - Posted June 1 2015 - 5:58 PM

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Hydrostone is:

 

>95% Plaster of Paris (Calcium Sulfate Hemihydrate)
<5%   Portland Cement
<1%   Titanium dioxide
 
I don't think it's just a matter of mixing the ingredients together.


#7 Offline drtrmiller - Posted June 1 2015 - 6:05 PM

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Correct.  Particle size matters.  Many raw ingredients are not of a uniform and fine enough particle size to mix properly so the final product is uniformly strong.




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#8 Offline Trailandstreet - Posted June 2 2015 - 2:52 AM

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A small percentage of plaster in cement causes a fast curing, but a higher percantagee leeds to lower stability.


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